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Chainshot 06-22-2008 09:32 PM

The 2008-2009 Buffalo Sabres Prospects Thread
 
With the conclusion of the draft, we have a whole new group of prospects to integrate into the conversation.

One thing that struck me was that they have 15 or 16 defensemen in their system (if taking Sekera and Weber as graduated to the Show and depending on where Gragnani plays... we'll know more this week).

Butler - Myers
Gragnani - Schiestel
Brennan - Fienhage
Persson - Biega
Funk - Generous
Buravchikov - Kostka
MacKenzie - Card
Southorn
Crawford

They're finally getting some quality righties into the mix, with Myers of course now leading the way. Schiestel really came on for the Ice Dogs as the season wore on. Fienhage... the hitting. Biega's still in the mix on the right side with his speed and puck skills. Kostka impressed me at the rookie camp last year and must've impressed Regier and Co. enough to be tendered a contract upon graduation. Mike Card... if he can get over his concussions and get some muscle on, has some interesting talents. And Matt Generous is clicking along under the radar with the Saints and should not be discounted.

Left siders... Butler may be pushing for playing time with the Sabres later this year if he continues to bring his smart, efficient play to the AHL. Gragnani is a bit of a wild card, with all sorts of offensive talent -- that they played him back on the blueline at the end of the year seemed to indicate a shift back to defense, but this weeks rookie camp will be telling (if he's working with the D or forwards in drills). Brennan has the tools, could make a push sooner if he puts more of it them together nightly. Persson's a wild card and needs simply to play to progress. Funk too needs to play -- more so like he did in limited recall time late in the season that showed he may not be out of the future mix. MacKenzie is another unheralded guy who's very lunch-pail/defense-first and has a lot of sand in his game. Southorn could be this year's version of Schiestal -- a mid-round 2-way guy who could move himself right up with a solid season. Crawford I would like to see in person, but his skill-set is right in the Sabres mold from what I've read.

16.


Edit: Draftees:

Myers http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526601
Ennis http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526647
Adam http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526813
Fienhage http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526844
Jokinen http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526870
Southorn http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526876
Lagace http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526898
Crawford http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526960

The Draft Thread: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=526206

Buffalo87 06-22-2008 09:56 PM

Wow, that is a pretty impressive stable of dmen.

BackGroundMusic 06-22-2008 09:59 PM

They banking on quantity = eventual franchise d-man or what? :laugh:

There are quite a few guys in that list that I have high hopes for, but I wouldn't be too upset to see one or more dealt [with an NHL forward] for a legit improvement in their NHL d-squad.

Or Hedman. Or Tavares.

krt88 06-23-2008 05:39 AM

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Here's a list of all sabres prospects with a hf stle rating system.

I am sure there are a couple of mistakes and some of the name likely need to come off the list as the Sabres may not still own their rights. Personally, I think all the Russian kids should come off as we will never see any of these play in the blue and gold. Feel free to shoot away as everyone has different opinions.

Old Navy Goat 06-23-2008 07:04 AM

Tons of defensemen but my issue is that you're looking at most capping out as bottom pairing guys. Butler, Brennan and Myers being the exceptions if they develop as expected so there isn't a whole lot to get excited over.

Chainshot 06-23-2008 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Navy Goat (Post 14531995)
Tons of defensemen but my issue is that you're looking at most capping out as bottom pairing guys. Butler, Brennan and Myers being the exceptions if they develop as expected so there isn't a whole lot to get excited over.

Considering their method of utilizing what appears to be two second pairs, their are 7 guys on that list who look like they could fill that bill to me:

Butler - Myers
Gragnani - Schiestel
Brennan - Fienhage
Persson

Yes, there are questions to be answered and 6 of them are projects of one sort or another (all but Butler in my mind). Butler could be a Paul Martin-type in the making and of course Myers has a bundle of upside that he needs to live into to be a top pairing guy. The other five are projectable as second pairing guys and there is the possibility of someone in the other 9 pushing their way up the list.

Old Navy Goat 06-23-2008 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 14532105)
Considering their method of utilizing what appears to be two second pairs, their are 7 guys on that list who look like they could fill that bill to me:

Butler - Myers
Gragnani - Schiestal
Brennan - Fienhage
Persson

Yes, there are questions to be answered and 6 of them are projects of one sort or another (all but Butler in my mind). Butler could be a Paul Martin-type in the making and of course Myers has a bundle of upside that he needs to live into to be a top pairing guy. The other five are projectable as second pairing guys and there is the possibility of someone in the other 9 pushing their way up the list.

Out of those I see Gragnani and Schliestal as specialty defensemen, strictly bottom pairing PP specialists, not that that's a bad thing. Fienhage is their anti-thesis in a bottom pairing crease clearer. Persson is dead to me, well not quite dead but unless he gets some quality playing time he might as well be.

Chainshot 06-23-2008 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Navy Goat (Post 14538355)
Out of those I see Gragnani and Schliestal as specialty defensemen, strictly bottom pairing PP specialists, not that that's a bad thing.

Drew's gotten a lot better as a defenseman over the course of this year. He's a puck mover, sure, but he's gotten much better in his own zone from last August until the end of the Dogs' playoff run. I see Gragnani as a Striet type at the moment, someone who can run a powerplay and swing shift up front or on the backline. However, he has the hockey sense, that if applied, he could be a very solid second pairing player.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Navy Goat (Post 14538355)
Fienhage is their anti-thesis in a bottom pairing crease clearer.

Mobile hitters aren't always bottom pairing guys. The Hawks and UND will give them more than a few years on the development cycle and I really like what the Hawks did for MacKenzie (and vice versa).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Navy Goat (Post 14538355)
Persson is dead to me

Fredo it is. :biglaugh: I recall the reviews when he was drafted. He's probably a bigger project than Myers, but there are the bones of a player who screams second pairing there.

Hobey Baker 06-23-2008 06:44 PM

Come on guys. Schiestel!

Kruschiki 06-23-2008 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobey Baker (Post 14541151)
Come on guys. Schiestel!

Schnitzel
http://www.qedata.se/bilder/galleri/wien-schnitzel.jpg

BackGroundMusic 06-23-2008 07:01 PM

Schnauser.

http://holger-grand-danois.dk/billed.../schnauser.jpg

Kruschiki 06-23-2008 07:19 PM

Schizer

[stinky]

Buffalo87 06-23-2008 07:28 PM

Shih Tzu?

http://www.breederretriever.com/phot.../shih_moro.jpg

Kruschiki 06-23-2008 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oblio (Post 14541612)
Schizer

[stinky]

C'mon KB, it was plastic poo!

Hobey Baker 06-23-2008 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oblio (Post 14542238)
C'mon KB, it was plastic poo!

I don't know, dude. I saw steam.

On topic programming: Prospect 2008-09 Stat Page is now up!

Chainshot 06-23-2008 08:22 PM

Organizational weakness developmentally....

Center.

Zagrapan
Adam
Byron
Allard (who I think gets moved to RW if he makes it as a pro)
Schutz (who may get shifted to LW)
Whitmore

Zagrapan could make this into a strength with a solid developmental jump -- this year he has to produce. Adam's a fine pick and fills a need for a physical player in the middle. Byron: a real wildcard but certainly a missing size-wise. He's willing to go in amongst the redwoods and as seen by his playoff production... he succeeds. And he wields the cue like an axe as seen by his suspensions. :biglaugh: I like Allard... but liking him isn't going to make him consistently intense. Perhaps the move to Quebec will help that... or not. Schutz is another worker bee who might have a future -- I like his game in junior but didn't see anything from him from this season. Relying on our German friends, the reports are encouraging. Whitmore has to be wondering if he made the right choice signing with the "home town" team. Portland needs the scoring... I want him to succeed.

Buffalo87 06-23-2008 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 14542397)
Organizational weakness developmentally....

Center.

Zagrapan
Adam
Byron
Allard (who I think gets moved to RW if he makes it as a pro)
Schutz (who may get shifted to LW)
Whitmore

Zagrapan could make this into a strength with a solid developmental jump -- this year he has to produce. Adam's a fine pick and fills a need for a physical player in the middle. Byron: a real wildcard but certainly a missing size-wise. He's willing to go in amongst the redwoods and as seen by his playoff production... he succeeds. And he wields the cue like an axe as seen by his suspensions. :biglaugh: I like Allard... but liking him isn't going to make him consistently intense. Perhaps the move to Quebec will help that... or not. Schutz is another worker bee who might have a future -- I like his game in junior but didn't see anything from him from this season. Relying on our German friends, the reports are encouraging. Whitmore has to be wondering if he made the right choice signing with the "home town" team. Portland needs the scoring... I want him to succeed.

I'm assuming we're slotting Ennis in as a LW? Considering C is a weakness at the NHL level and the AHL level, I'm thinking we may need to make a move, trade or otherwise, to shore than up a bit. I think Zags could make a run at an NHL spot this year, even if it's just for a few games. I'm really hoping that he's one of those guys that seem to be better NHLers than AHLers.

ColonelForbin 06-23-2008 08:29 PM

I thought they decided to use Gerbe as a center as well. Could be wrong though.

Chainshot 06-23-2008 08:29 PM

Almost as weak, even debatable that it is the weakest in the development system is right wing. Yes, they're stacked in the bigs with Pominville, Stafford, Bernier, and Kaleta all youthful and a solid collection of skill, size and youth. Poms is the old man of the unit at 25.

Tropp
Jokinen
Mancari
Orpik

Tropp and Jokinen are both nice offensive players who are years off. Mancari should be the designated AHL vet. I'm not sure he'll ever be aggressive enough in application of his size to force himself onto the 4th line in the NHL, since in that role he'd have to bang, but his shot and size should still offer them a stable AHLer. Orpik could be BC's captain and there is that pedigree that speaks to his physical nature. Bulk him up, let him loose... he could be an energy line guy in the pros.

Yeah... this is the weakest unit. Even if they swing Gogulla back to RW after his success in the DEL on LW this past year... this is really thin. Good thing they have three 22 or under guys in the bigs.

Chainshot 06-23-2008 08:36 PM

Left wing... it seems after all of those decades of having little to no talent on LW, they're now swimming in it. Vanek is the first line LW, no doubt but they have some dynamic guys on the port side

Gerbe
Ennis
Gogulla
Kennedy
Lagace
Hunter

Gerbe we've pimped plenty. Ennis is right there too -- the issue will be size for both. Yet both use that as fuel and neither are shy. Gogulla's big, rangy, looked great in camp and really showed himself off in the DEL this year. There's a mid-lineup winger there, a solid potential pro. Kennedy's smaller, but has that SoBuf. combo of determination and fire to go along with a fair amount of skills that he too could be here sooner rather than later. Lagace's a solid pick out of the Q, someone who has the offensive flair and thinks the game well... but again is a bit small. Edit: going off the top of my head, I forgot Poochie, err Hunter. Dylan's become a serviceable AHLer and can swing a bit to center. This is his third pro year, time to put up or go Methot.

Lots of talent on LW... just questions about who can or will make it.

Chainshot 06-23-2008 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buffalo87 (Post 14542440)
I'm assuming we're slotting Ennis in as a LW? Considering C is a weakness at the NHL level and the AHL level, I'm thinking we may need to make a move, trade or otherwise, to shore than up a bit. I think Zags could make a run at an NHL spot this year, even if it's just for a few games. I'm really hoping that he's one of those guys that seem to be better NHLers than AHLers.

Ennis is a LW yes.

Gerbe might see some time in the middle, although most of his season last year was on the wing. He's versatile enough and driven enough that he could get a look. Granted, that makes the combined height of two of the team's pivots 11'2" combined. :eek:

Zagrapan is really the wildcard. He's got to see the opportunity, with both Tinman and Broken ahead of him on the roster, there is an opportunity to get some NHL playing time.

And I would like to see a vet affordably brought in to handle some center responsibility. Plenty of names have been thrown around -- Peca, Holik, Morrison and others. They could use someone like that. Prospect-wise... this is where a reclaimation project would be handy.

New Sabres Captain 06-23-2008 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 14542569)
Left wing... it seems after all of those decades of having little to no talent on LW, they're now swimming in it. Vanek is the first line LW, no doubt but they have some dynamic guys on the port side

Gerbe
Ennis
Kennedy
Gogulla
Lagace
Hunter

Gerbe we've pimped plenty. Ennis is right there too -- the issue will be size for both. Yet both use that as fuel and neither are shy. Gogulla's big, rangy, looked great in camp and really showed himself off in the DEL this year. There's a mid-lineup winger there, a solid potential pro. Kennedy's smaller, but has that SoBuf. combo of determination and fire to go along with a fair amount of skills that he too could be here sooner rather than later. Lagace's a solid pick out of the Q, someone who has the offensive flair and thinks the game well... but again is a bit small. Edit: going off the top of my head, I forgot Poochie, err Hunter. Dylan's become a serviceable AHLer and can swing a bit to center. This is his third pro year, time to put up or go Methot.

Lots of talent on LW... just questions about who can or will make it.

Would you really slot Kennedy over Gogulla right now? From what I've seen of each (admittedly not that much of each) I've like Goggles better. Curious to see if our more educated folks rank one over the other or if right now it's basically a wash.

Chainshot 06-23-2008 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug (Post 14544706)
Would you really slot Kennedy over Gogulla right now? From what I've seen of each (admittedly not that much of each) I've like Goggles better. Curious to see if our more educated folks rank one over the other or if right now it's basically a wash.

It's an edit actually. I wrote them up and then put the list together after typing the blurb. I have Gogulla over Kennedy in there, just misplaced him above.

New Sabres Captain 06-23-2008 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 14544746)
It's an edit actually. I wrote them up and then put the list together after typing the blurb. I have Gogulla over Kennedy in there, just misplaced him above.

Ah, I see.

Speaking of Goggles, what are the chances he comes over this year? He still has that clause to stay in Germany, correct?

Old Navy Goat 06-24-2008 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug (Post 14544706)
Would you really slot Kennedy over Gogulla right now? From what I've seen of each (admittedly not that much of each) I've like Goggles better. Curious to see if our more educated folks rank one over the other or if right now it's basically a wash.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 14544746)
It's an edit actually. I wrote them up and then put the list together after typing the blurb. I have Gogulla over Kennedy in there, just misplaced him above.

That'll have to be revisited after this season as the "A" is a tougher league than the DEL. If Kennedy performs and looks good playing in Portland it wouldn't be that difficult flip flopping them no matter how good of a season Gogulla has, especially as there's questions about him ever wanting to come over.


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