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echlfreak 06-23-2008 08:53 AM

Vermette
 
What are the thoughts on trading Klein for Vermette in Ottawa? He would be a great fit to the second line with Erat and Legwand. And, Ottawa needs defense.

dulzhok 06-23-2008 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by echlfreak (Post 14532576)
What are the thoughts on trading Klein for Vermette in Ottawa? He would be a great fit to the second line with Erat and Legwand. And, Ottawa needs defense.

Ya, I'd take Vermette. Now that it's unlikely that Poile going to go for a true first liner (like Jokinen), we need to figure out someway to get some more scoring. Vermette would be a good plan B.

We just need to move another contract, as he's probably gonna cost atleast 3m per year. I expect (hope) that Zidlicky will be moved after July 1st.

Not sure if Klien would be enough to get Vermette, but sure, I'd to it.

Joe T Choker 06-23-2008 09:51 AM

I'm on board with this as well, speed + skill = good times

SmokeyClause 06-23-2008 11:07 AM

Could we land Vermette for as little as Klein? Seems like a nice pickup, especially considering that Trotz is waiting for a plague to strike the D-core before consistently dressing Klein.

Enoch 06-23-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyClause (Post 14534024)
Could we land Vermette for as little as Klein? Seems like a nice pickup, especially considering that Trotz is waiting for a plague to strike the D-core before consistently dressing Klein.

No kidding. I would make this deal in a heartbeat. Klein might play in 5 games next year....and that is if VK isn't signed.

predhead1 06-23-2008 12:33 PM

This would be a good deal if Ottawa would go for it. They might ask for a little something extra, but I wouldn't have a problem adding a mid-to-late round 2009 pick to get the deal done.

jstreet 06-23-2008 03:04 PM

Klein plus Hordi's pick.

sign the papers.

Pringles 06-23-2008 03:27 PM

I think it is going to take more then Klein to get Vermette, I am a big fan of Klein but Vermette's value is closer to Hamhuis' value. Nobody trades a #2 center for a 6/7 d-man.

SmokeyClause 06-23-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sens fan in Toronto (Post 14538263)
I think it is going to take more then Klein to get Vermette, I am a big fan of Klein but Vermette's value is closer to Hamhuis' value. Nobody trades a #2 center for a 6/7 d-man.

And there in lies the problem. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't capable of being a top 4 Dman immediately. He has the tools. But because of Trotz, he has never had a chance to display it.

With young defensemen, sometimes it's just better to give them a good bit of ice time (15 minutes or so) for a few weeks to see what you have. Not sure he has ever played more than 5 games in a row on the NHL level. He hits the ice knowing he has to play lights out to even have a chance to avoid being scratched the next game. You don't typically see great results out of players in that position.

In the end, we just need to trade him for scraps to the Wings. They love and properly use guys like Lebda. They'd flip out over a player like Klein. He'd fit their style quite well as a very speedy puck mover who can play physical when needed.

Enoch 06-23-2008 05:51 PM

Its funny you mention the Wings Smokey because Klein is very very similar to Niklas Kronwall in terms of overall style of game....

worstfaceoffmanever 06-23-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sens fan in Toronto (Post 14538263)
I think it is going to take more then Klein to get Vermette, I am a big fan of Klein but Vermette's value is closer to Hamhuis' value. Nobody trades a #2 center for a 6/7 d-man.

Klein would be a top four defenseman in a lot of organizations.

I guess this is the side effect of Trotz preferring De Vries and Zanon to Klein and Koistinen...

tulsytrid1 06-23-2008 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by worstfaceoffmanever (Post 14540911)
Klein would be a top four defenseman in a lot of organizations.

I guess this is the side effect of Trotz preferring De Vries and Zanon to Klein and Koistinen...

:cry: I would hope that as the season gets closer that Poile could trade off the first two you mentioned... that or buy them out.

braindead 06-23-2008 08:24 PM

I was forced to listen to local radio today to hear Willy interview Poile. I thought (not to read tea leafs) that Poile dodged the question on Klein and Koistenen and then noticeably didn't list Zids when running through our list of core players (Hammy, Weber and Suter twice mentioned as core D).

I'm currently operating on the theory that Klein has been kept b/c he is going to play. If Zids gets traded then Koistenen takes his spot and Klein can fight with Zanon for the 6th/7th spot... a spot he should win unless you have to play entirely on your knees in training camp.

Dionysus 06-23-2008 10:49 PM

It would have to be Klein++ to get Vermette. What would Nashville be willing to add? Fiddler is a player I have always liked, what about Klein+Fiddler for Vermette.

Joe T Choker 06-23-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by heaterhassasin (Post 14544337)
It would have to be Klein++ to get Vermette. What would Nashville be willing to add? Fiddler is a player I have always liked, what about Klein+Fiddler for Vermette.

where do I sign?

worstfaceoffmanever 06-23-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by heaterhassasin (Post 14544337)
It would have to be Klein++ to get Vermette. What would Nashville be willing to add? Fiddler is a player I have always liked, what about Klein+Fiddler for Vermette.

I'd do that in about a picosecond. Fids is a classy guy and a damn hard worker, but we've got that kind of player in spades.




... on second thought, I think we should trade Klein to Calgary for Cammalleri. :sarcasm:

Pringles 06-24-2008 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by heaterhassasin (Post 14544337)
It would have to be Klein++ to get Vermette. What would Nashville be willing to add? Fiddler is a player I have always liked, what about Klein+Fiddler for Vermette.

I would prefer Klein + (Dekanich or Smith)

if you have Ellis, Rinne, Dekanich, Smith, and now Pickard (not to mention 3 other goaltenders) I think you can afford to let one go.

barrytrotzsneck 06-24-2008 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sens fan in Toronto (Post 14547010)
I would prefer Klein + (Dekanich or Smith)

if you have Ellis, Rinne, Dekanich, Smith, and now Pickard (not to mention 3 other goaltenders) I think you can afford to let one go.

I think that's fair, and while I think Smith is the better prospect, I think he'd be the most tradeable chip, since if we trade Dekanich, we've got no one for Milwaukee this year.

barrytrotzsneck 06-24-2008 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sens fan in Toronto (Post 14538263)
I think it is going to take more then Klein to get Vermette, I am a big fan of Klein but Vermette's value is closer to Hamhuis' value. Nobody trades a #2 center for a 6/7 d-man.

While I agree that Klein is not enough for Vermette, I think Vermette's value is just as far from Hamhuis. We're talking about a guy who is frequently compared to Wade Redden when Wade Redden was a star defenseman, and who is signed to a bargain contract.

Enoch 06-24-2008 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by barrytrotzsneck (Post 14547493)
While I agree that Klein is not enough for Vermette, I think Vermette's value is just as far from Hamhuis. We're talking about a guy who is frequently compared to Wade Redden when Wade Redden was a star defenseman, and who is signed to a bargain contract.

I completely agree. Vermette's value is no where near Dan Hamhuis.

Dionysus 06-24-2008 11:18 AM

Is Rinne pretty untouchable as the future starter with Nashville, or is there a chance he could be moved with the signing of Ellis and the drafting of Pickard?


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