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pld459666 06-29-2008 09:32 AM

Jagr Quote - I don't like it
 
From the Daily News

"You know, money determines your position on the team - especially in the NHL," Jagr told reporters in the Czech Republic on Friday. "As a top earner, you have more respect, they treat you differently than other cheaper players. But what I pursue the most is trust.

"I've already realized that I was playing my best hockey when there was the most pressure on me. I need to hear or need to know: 'This is your team. You are the key element and it will do as you will do.' Then I can play my best hockey. And I feel I can still play on the highest level."


I'm not liking what I'm hearing. If this is how he feels, then he should find another team that's is willing to put all its eggs in his basket because that is not a winning formula.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...l_at_odds.html

DarthSather99 06-29-2008 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666 (Post 14610259)
From the Daily News

"You know, money determines your position on the team - especially in the NHL," Jagr told reporters in the Czech Republic on Friday. "As a top earner, you have more respect, they treat you differently than other cheaper players. But what I pursue the most is trust.

"I've already realized that I was playing my best hockey when there was the most pressure on me. I need to hear or need to know: 'This is your team. You are the key element and it will do as you will do.' Then I can play my best hockey. And I feel I can still play on the highest level."


I'm not liking what I'm hearing. If this is how he feels, then he should find another team that's is willing to put all its eggs in his basket because that is not a winning formula.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...l_at_odds.html

I agree....sounds selfish and a bit arrogant. YOU sacrifice for the team, NOT the team sacrifices for you.

Carlos Ranger 06-29-2008 09:43 AM

Yea I did not like that quote either. He's implying that if he's not the highest paid player on a team he doesn't feel respected.

NYR Viper 06-29-2008 10:22 AM

he has to realise he isnt the only go-to guy anymore.....if its only his team then this team goes no where because it has been like that for two years....so sather went out and got help....really good help and he plays bad.....i like jagr, and i liked him while he was here, i think its time to move on

I Am Chariot 06-29-2008 10:30 AM

What locker room wants to hear that ****?

disappointing and Im a big JJ fan. Was this a translation? Direct quote in English?

Synergy27 06-29-2008 10:32 AM

This all makes me wonder, most of us assumed that Jagr was holding back during the regular season because he was saving it for the playoffs. But, is it possible that he put a self-imposed "points cap" on himself so that his stats were more in line with his perceived "standing" on the team? This sounds ridiculous, I know, but man that quote has some awful implications and makes me seriously question whether I want the man back on Broadway.

Ash 06-29-2008 10:32 AM

I think
 
that typical NYC mentality helped Leetch and Richter and Graves win a Stanley Cup in 1994... Or was it a Manitoba mentality? Maybe be an Albuquerque mentality? Who knows? But it sure couldn't be a NYC mentality.... Oh wait, the Rangers have made the playoffs three straight years. Enough said.

On Jagr, we might need to move on. It would be a difficult transition process without him, but sometimes you take a step back to take a step forward.

I don't think we miss the playoffs for sure without him. I think we'd be in the mix for the 8th spot or so.

Son of Steinbrenner 06-29-2008 10:34 AM

I see nothing wrong with these commments.

First of all we don't know what the question was...we only know the quote...

Second we don't know if this was translated...things do get lost in translation.....just ask Bill Murray..

Third most star players have egos...Jagr isn't just a star playing the czech republic he is an icon...he is also talking about needing management stroking his ego not the players looking at him diffrently...think of the audience he is talking too..


A top 10 all time player looking for respect in dollars....is this something new in sports?

If the Rangers don't have Jagr next year and Gomez has to shoulder the burden for the offense we are in major trouble. Jagr got pounded last year by other teams top defenseman...Can Gomez handle that and be productive?

If Sather talked to Jagr over the past two months or so this wouldn't be an issue..That's Jagrs major gripe with the Rangers (from everything else that i've read) and Jagr has a point.

Sather letting everybody twist in the wind could backfire in the Rangers face.

The New Originals 06-29-2008 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wario Lemieux (Post 14610639)
This all makes me wonder, most of us assumed that Jagr was holding back during the regular season because he was saving it for the playoffs. But, is it possible that he put a self-imposed "points cap" on himself so that his stats were more in line with his perceived "standing" on the team? This sounds ridiculous, I know, but man that quote has some awful implications and makes me seriously question whether I want the man back on Broadway.

It's not that ridiculous of an idea, to be honest. He probably did.

Vitto79 06-29-2008 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash (Post 14610645)
that typical NYC mentality helped Leetch and Richter and Graves win a Stanley Cup in 1994... Or was it a Manitoba mentality? Maybe be an Albuquerque mentality? Who knows? But it sure couldn't be a NYC mentality.... Oh wait, the Rangers have made the playoffs three straight years. Enough said.

On Jagr, we might need to move on. It would be a difficult transition process without him, but sometimes you take a step back to take a step forward.

I don't think we miss the playoffs for sure without him. I think we'd be in the mix for the 8th spot or so.

I think without Jagr the team is still strong......given they come out on July 1st and fill holes WHICH I am totally confident they will

This is NY and players want to come here....................so if Jags goes it's ok..........their is Gomez and Drury to lead the team and TONS of good young talent which is the real key...............Looking forward to another yr of Dubi and Dawes maturing and cycling in some more Hartford guys

Caseus 06-29-2008 10:37 AM

I'm not sure what's so surprising about this quote. Jagr has always needed to be THE GUY. When he is, he gives it his all. When he's not, he's unhappy.

Given the talent on the Rangers, he's not guaranteed to be the most important person on the team anymore. Either Sather pays him -- and treats him -- as such, or he lets Jagr walk.

TomLaidlaw 06-29-2008 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666 (Post 14610259)
From the Daily News

"You know, money determines your position on the team - especially in the NHL," Jagr told reporters in the Czech Republic on Friday. "As a top earner, you have more respect, they treat you differently than other cheaper players. But what I pursue the most is trust.

"I've already realized that I was playing my best hockey when there was the most pressure on me. I need to hear or need to know: 'This is your team. You are the key element and it will do as you will do.' Then I can play my best hockey. And I feel I can still play on the highest level."


I'm not liking what I'm hearing. If this is how he feels, then he should find another team that's is willing to put all its eggs in his basket because that is not a winning formula.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...l_at_odds.html

That is really dissappointing to hear from Jagr. Specifically this part.......

"I need to hear or need to know: 'This is your team. You are the key element and it will do as you will do.' Then I can play my best hockey. "

Your a professional athlete, you shouldn't need someone stroking your ego in order for you to perform at a high level.

Avy* 06-29-2008 10:38 AM

Oh please... this is NHL. Teams and fans treat players like slaves you can forget about loyalty.

frankthefrowner 06-29-2008 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash (Post 14610645)
that typical NYC mentality helped Leetch and Richter and Graves win a Stanley Cup in 1994... Or was it a Manitoba mentality? Maybe be an Albuquerque mentality? Who knows? But it sure couldn't be a NYC mentality.... Oh wait, the Rangers have made the playoffs three straight years. Enough said.

On Jagr, we might need to move on. It would be a difficult transition process without him, but sometimes you take a step back to take a step forward.

I don't think we miss the playoffs for sure without him. I think we'd be in the mix for the 8th spot or so.

I dont neccesarilly agree with that. He was honestly rather medicore last year, he clearly has lost a couple steps speed wise. As long as he is here the offense will be running through him. Maybe with him out of here we can just focus on a more balanced attack...Personally i think the power play imrpoves without guys playing the get the puck to jagr game so he can pass it back to us.

Maybe take his 6+ mil and get a couple decent wingers for more than just one line and we might see a major improvement. Then who knows in '09 we try and sign Ilya if we feel we need that type of guy.

Ash 06-29-2008 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankthefrowner (Post 14610714)
I dont neccesarilly agree with that. He was honestly rather medicore last year, he clearly has lost a couple steps speed wise. As long as he is here the offense will be running through him. Maybe with him out of here we can just focus on a more balanced attack...Personally i think the power play imrpoves without guys playing the get the puck to jagr game so he can pass it back to us.

Maybe take his 6+ mil and get a couple decent wingers for more than just one line and we might see a major improvement. Then who knows in '09 we try and sign Ilya if we feel we need that type of guy.

He wasn't the Jagr we all know and love last year (until the playoffs and 2nd half of the season) and that Jagr is probably gone.

Now let's say he declines some more this year, he still is probably a 60 point forward. I don't know where those 60 points are going to come from.

Forechecker 06-29-2008 10:52 AM

I'm not buying any of it until Jags returns to NYC tomorrow and we hear from him first hand.

likea 06-29-2008 10:52 AM

Now can you all understand why Pittsburgh fans boo the guy. He pulled the same BS in Pittsburgh when Mario un-retired. me, me, me is all Jagr wants to hear about. I love jagr the hockey player but Jagr the person is a jack^&(

frankthefrowner 06-29-2008 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash (Post 14610764)
He wasn't the Jagr we all know and love last year (until the playoffs and 2nd half of the season) and that Jagr is probably gone.

Now let's say he declines some more this year, he still is probably a 60 point forward. I don't know where those 60 points are going to come from.

I appreciate what hes done for this team, he brought it back from the dead. But i dont think he will be a 60 point forward next year and with him wanting 2-3 years it would only get worse. Sometimes its just time to let go.

OnMyOwn 06-29-2008 10:55 AM

i just dont get him... where would he go where he will be "THE" man? most competitive teams already have their guys... he would just be another piece. unless he wants big bucks from a team that is out of it.

i hate how he became.. money does this to some people i guess.

jagrgodr 06-29-2008 10:58 AM

Jagr kinda has a point. Even though he will be 37, he will probably be the best player on the team. Shouldnt your captain and best player on the team get paid the most? Isnt that the point of salaries, you pay the best players the most? I dont think theres any way he should get paid less than scott and chris.. they are trash compared to Jagr.

You want to keep a top 5 player in NHL history?

When he is made the leader and the man (think of the 05 season) look at where that got him. He broke all your silly new york rangers records without drury or gomez.

FutureGM97 06-29-2008 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagrgodr (Post 14610842)
Jagr kinda has a point. Even though he will be 37, he will probably be the best player on the team. Shouldnt your captain and best player on the team get paid the most? Isnt that the point of salaries, you pay the best players the most? I dont think theres any way he should get paid less than scott and chris.. they are trash compared to Jagr.

You want to keep a top 5 player in NHL history?

When he is made the leader and the man (think of the 05 season) look at where that got him. He broke all your silly new york rangers records without drury or gomez.

If Jagr truly loves NY and really wants to come back and help this team, he should realize that he isn't the same player he used to be and should take a cut of pay. That doesn't change the fact if you are the best player or not but he should be conscious of the fact that he is on the down slope and that other guys need a chance to lead this team.

dank 06-29-2008 11:15 AM

eh, he's being honest/joking and who cares?

people are a bit too sensitive

WhipNash27 06-29-2008 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666 (Post 14610259)
From the Daily News

"You know, money determines your position on the team - especially in the NHL," Jagr told reporters in the Czech Republic on Friday. "As a top earner, you have more respect, they treat you differently than other cheaper players. But what I pursue the most is trust.

"I've already realized that I was playing my best hockey when there was the most pressure on me. I need to hear or need to know: 'This is your team. You are the key element and it will do as you will do.' Then I can play my best hockey. And I feel I can still play on the highest level."


I'm not liking what I'm hearing. If this is how he feels, then he should find another team that's is willing to put all its eggs in his basket because that is not a winning formula.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...l_at_odds.html

Here is a translation of a condensed transcript which appears on the DNES web site. They blended certain responses into one.
http://hockeyrodent.com/R2035.HTM

Fish on The Sand 06-29-2008 11:19 AM

this strikes me as a quote indicating Jagr got lowballed. His point is probably something along the lines of if he is the best player on the team he should be making more than Gomez and Drury.

I Am Chariot 06-29-2008 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wario Lemieux (Post 14610639)
This all makes me wonder, most of us assumed that Jagr was holding back during the regular season because he was saving it for the playoffs. But, is it possible that he put a self-imposed "points cap" on himself so that his stats were more in line with his perceived "standing" on the team? This sounds ridiculous, I know, but man that quote has some awful implications and makes me seriously question whether I want the man back on Broadway.

No. He hit many a post, missed net, set guys up with gimmees and they missed.


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