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NYR Viper 07-02-2008 12:18 AM

do some of these signings today make last years signings look better?
 
i was just wondering as all year all i heard was how bad the contracts were for gomez and drury and yet, i have to say both are MUCH BETTER than rolston, malone, ryder etc.. and they all got paif hansomly....i am a HUGE fan of both players and have never had a problem with either contract so this is why i am asking....to me...if malone can get over 5 million(while not even making it to free agency) drury and gomez for about 7 each look good to me

Burlington Bomb 26 07-02-2008 12:19 AM

did you watch TSN today, wow, just wow. Pierre Mcguire was freaking out about how awful the contracts were, he said this is the worst year. It was funny when he said, the leafs just gave the fans the finger. But they said the worst contracts so far were...Finger, Huet, and Malone.

NYR Viper 07-02-2008 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblegumGang184434 (Post 14675578)
did you watch TSN today, wow, just wow. Pierre Mcguire was freaking out about how awful the contracts were, he said this is the worst year. It was funny when he said, the leafs just gave the fans the finger. But they said the worst contracts so far were...Finger, Huet, and Malone.

no i didnt......from the sound of it i wish i did:laugh:

i just feel like there is too much heat on these two in particular and considering their track record people should give them the benfit of the doubt....yet they dont and always attack them....

pavvento 07-02-2008 12:30 AM

Is there such thing as an UFA and a good contract? Honestly any player with talent that is an UFA is going to get more money and years than they are worth. That's the way free agency works. There are so many people who say 'I like this guy, but not at that price' well, so does every GM in the league, but they HAVE to pay that price if they want them.

This is why it is necessary to build from within and use UFA to fill a small whole. Unfortunately the Rangers have used it in the past two years to get their three best (presumably) position players.

As more teams have the ability to sign good players there will be even worse contracts thrown around. It really makes me wonder if any of these owners and GM's remember why we lost a season of hockey.

Burlington Bomb 26 07-02-2008 12:37 AM

i just have to say if Sundin gets 10 mil per from Vancouver...:help:

NYR Viper 07-02-2008 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblegumGang184434 (Post 14675827)
i just have to say if Sundin gets 10 mil per from Vancouver...:help:

absolutely agree....that would be rediculous

Burlington Bomb 26 07-02-2008 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeyviper87 (Post 14675952)
absolutely agree....that would be rediculous

i wouldnt mind getting Naslund. the guy is a proven goal scorer and has stated he would sign a contract in the 2-3 mil range for a contender, plus we have the swedish fetish from Slats, so i think its a match made in heaven.

Nazzy-Dubi-JJ:amazed::naughty::)

eco's bones 07-02-2008 06:01 AM

The idea last year was that the Rangers were one or two players away from being the real deal. No doubt now that Nylander worked best with Jagr but Nylander priced him out of the picture more or less because of age and the length of contract he wanted. The Rangers had a need for two proven top line centers nonetheless and the top 3 were Briere, Gomez, Drury. They got two--they overpaid for both--particularly Drury. The thing is of the scorers they were supposed to center--Jagr had chemistry problems with both and Shanny's game has just declined.

The Rangers no longer are a player or two away--they are now somewhere around 4 or 5. Voros and Rissmiller address a problem of too many small forwards but neither of them are very talented. They are third line at best--4th liners on a good team. I don't really understand signing both Redden and Roszival--one makes sense but it would look much better if it were say Redden and Orpik--addressing both the offensive and physical dimensions that the team lacked last year on the blueline. We may have better pointmen this year but we don't have very many skilled forwards so as of the moment I don't see our pwp picking up.

levski87 07-02-2008 07:38 AM

We could have given the same contract to Orpik instead of Rozy. Orpik would GLADLY take 5 mil. Sather is a moron.

Redden-Orpik
Staal-Girardi
Tyutin-Sangs?

Burlington Bomb 26 07-02-2008 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by levski87 (Post 14678124)
We could have given the same contract to Orpik instead of Rozy. Orpik would GLADLY take 5 mil. Sather is a moron.

Redden-Orpik
Staal-Girardi
Tyutin-Sangs?

Orpik for 5 mil per is a waste. When Pittsburgh fans are saying that he is a 3rd pairing dman then i believe it. 3.5 is the most i'd give em.

Synergy27 07-02-2008 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblegumGang184434 (Post 14678137)
Orpik for 5 mil per is a waste. When Pittsburgh fans are saying that he is a 3rd pairing dman then i believe it. 3.5 is the most i'd give em.

I agree. I really don't understand the obsession with Brooks Orpik at all. Physical, stay at home defenseman do not get paid the big bucks. You can find a player to do the same job for close to the league minimum.

azrok22 07-02-2008 07:59 AM

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Orpik for 5 mil per is a waste.
I wouldn't say he's a waste, but for 5 million, Rozsival is a much better deal. If it was 4 million for Orpik vs 5 million for Rozsival I'd have a really hard time picking, but at equal price I take Rozsival without hesitation.

He may not bring the physicality Orpik brings, but I believe Rozsival is better defensively and much better at moving the puck.

Burlington Bomb 26 07-02-2008 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wario Lemieux (Post 14678315)
I agree. I really don't understand the obsession with Brooks Orpik at all. Physical, stay at home defenseman do not get paid the big bucks. You can find a player to do the same job for close to the league minimum.

especially when they come off an average season and a great playoffs.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 07-02-2008 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeyviper87 (Post 14675547)
i was just wondering as all year all i heard was how bad the contracts were for gomez and drury and yet, i have to say both are MUCH BETTER than rolston, malone, ryder etc.. and they all got paif hansomly....i am a HUGE fan of both players and have never had a problem with either contract so this is why i am asking....to me...if malone can get over 5 million(while not even making it to free agency) drury and gomez for about 7 each look good to me

Yeah but you can say this every year about the year before.

DontStepanMe 07-02-2008 08:50 AM

Nothing short of Drury getting 80 pts each year for the next 4 years will make that signing look good. It was a horrible signing especially since he has a NMC. We can't even buy him out b/c you have to put a player through waivers first which we can't bc of the NMC... worst signing since the lockout.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 07-02-2008 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rags225 (Post 14678908)
Nothing short of Drury getting 80 pts each year for the next 4 years will make that signing look good. It was a horrible signing especially since he has a NMC. We can't even buy him out b/c you have to put a player through waivers first which we can't bc of the NMC... worst signing since the lockout.

Why exactly would the Rangers be looking to get rid of Chris Drury?

DontStepanMe 07-02-2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway (Post 14678919)
Why exactly would the Rangers be looking to get rid of Chris Drury?

b/c his cap hit for what he brings is absolutely atrocious. he will be our third best center by the end of the year. Gomez is our best and I really think Dubi will surpass Drury offensively this season.

Gomez is a playmaking center and almost deserves what he makes.... in fact if he had a real RW he probably would be getting over a pt/game.

Drury is making way to much than he deserves. his cap hit is killing this team and our abilities to sign/resign players. he he is a second/third line player being paid as an all star. you don't pay 3 million for intangibles. If you did than Sean Aver would be asking for $6mil.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 07-02-2008 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rags225 (Post 14679007)
b/c his cap hit for what he brings is absolutely atrocious. he will be our third best center by the end of the year. Gomez is our best and I really think Dubi will surpass Drury offensively this season.

Gomez is a playmaking center and almost deserves what he makes.... in fact if he had a real RW he probably would be getting over a pt/game.

Drury is making way to much than he deserves. his cap hit is killing this team and our abilities to sign/resign players. he he is a second/third line player being paid as an all star. you don't pay 3 million for intangibles. If you did than Sean Aver would be asking for $6mil.

Dubinsky didn't sniff Drury's numbers despite playing with Jagr while Drury was playing with Callahan and Dawes.

Drury is also this team's best penalty-killer, best faceoff guy and best defensive forward. That doesn't could for anything? He also scored as many goals as any Ranger this season (including leading the team in PP goals and GWGs and OTGs).

ThirdEye 07-02-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rags225 (Post 14679007)
b/c his cap hit for what he brings is absolutely atrocious. he will be our third best center by the end of the year. Gomez is our best and I really think Dubi will surpass Drury offensively this season.

Gomez is a playmaking center and almost deserves what he makes.... in fact if he had a real RW he probably would be getting over a pt/game.

Drury is making way to much than he deserves. his cap hit is killing this team and our abilities to sign/resign players. he he is a second/third line player being paid as an all star. you don't pay 3 million for intangibles. If you did than Sean Aver would be asking for $6mil.

Yeah well, Drury is not getting moved.

Bluenote13 07-02-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rags225 (Post 14679007)
b/c his cap hit for what he brings is absolutely atrocious. he will be our third best center by the end of the year. Gomez is our best and I really think Dubi will surpass Drury offensively this season.

Gomez is a playmaking center and almost deserves what he makes.... in fact if he had a real RW he probably would be getting over a pt/game.

Drury is making way to much than he deserves. his cap hit is killing this team and our abilities to sign/resign players. he he is a second/third line player being paid as an all star. you don't pay 3 million for intangibles. If you did than Sean Aver would be asking for $6mil.

I have no problem with that contract. Other teams were offering him big money too, and they knew how many points he puts up.

Drury is a leader & winner, and he's proven that many times. Not too many guys like him out there.

DontStepanMe 07-02-2008 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway (Post 14679086)
Dubinsky didn't sniff Drury's numbers despite playing with Jagr while Drury was playing with Callahan and Dawes.

Drury is also this team's best penalty-killer, best faceoff guy and best defensive forward. That doesn't could for anything? He also scored as many goals as any Ranger this season (including leading the team in PP goals and GWGs and OTGs).


I think you are forgeting that

a) Dubi was a rookie
b) Dubi played almost half the season on the third line while Drury was w/ Jagr or Shanny
c) By the end of the year I Dubi's FO's were right up there w/ Drury, and it seemed that he won the more crucial ones. Especially in the offensive zone.

yes he is the best defensive forward on the team. But he isn't worth $7 mil. That contract his a salary cap killer. You don't pay $7 mil a year for defense unless you are a defensemen.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 07-02-2008 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rags225 (Post 14679196)
I think you are forgeting that

a) Dubi was a rookie
b) Dubi played almost half the season on the third line while Drury was w/ Jagr or Shanny
c) By the end of the year I Dubi's FO's were right up there w/ Drury, and it seemed that he won the more crucial ones. Especially in the offensive zone.

yes he is the best defensive forward on the team. But he isn't worth $7 mil. That contract his a salary cap killer. You don't pay $7 mil a year for defense unless you are a defensemen.

Drury never played with Jagr and he rarely played with Shanahan.

Trxjw 07-02-2008 09:13 AM

Comparing last years signings to this years signings is a bit ridiculous. As the cap goes up, prices for UFA's tend to go up as well. Add to that a relatively thin FA pool and you have your reasoning for the big contracts.

The only ridiculous contract offer was Sundin at 10mil per year. Campbell is overpaid, but thats a result of multiple teams competing for him. Redden is probably overpaid as well, but again, the Rangers weren't the only team after him.

Forechecker 07-02-2008 09:17 AM

Also, you can't compare these contract #s to each other. They need to be addressed in the context of that year's salary cap, what comparable players were going for, and team need.

This year offensive d-men were a HUGE commodity. Does Campbell's contract, or Rosie's or Redden's, make them as good as Lidstrom because of the $$$? No, of course not, because if Lisdtrom were to be signed this year as a UFA he'd be getting well over $8MM per.

The only way these contracts become really scary is if league revenues start to contract, and with the NHL adding new revenue streams daily, I don't see that happening.

BrooklynRangersFan 07-02-2008 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Forechecker (Post 14679314)
Also, you can't compare these contract #s to each other. They need to be addressed in the context of that year's salary cap, what comparable players were going for, and team need.

This year offensive d-men were a HUGE commodity. Does Campbell's contract, or Rosie's or Redden's, make them as good as Lidstrom because of the $$$? No, of course not, because if Lisdtrom were to be signed this year as a UFA he'd be getting well over $8MM per.

The only way these contracts become really scary is if league revenues start to contract, and with the NHL adding new revenue streams daily, I don't see that happening.

And if the looney starts to decline against the dollar again (as it almost surely will)..?


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