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Nicto30 07-02-2008 10:48 PM

Koistinen: Real Deal?
 
I don't follow the Preds very closely but I keep hearing good things about Ville Koistinen. Can some of you Preds fans tell what you think of him and whether he has the skills to be a #1 d-man? Also is more of an offensive threat who is likely to get PP time or is he more of a defensive specialist? Thanks...

Jarnberg 07-02-2008 10:58 PM

More like 6th or 7th defensemen with getting most of his time on PP.

Definitely not a defensive specialist.

Paranoid Android 07-02-2008 11:41 PM

Not afraid to play they body, but because he's small, never makes big hits. Unfortunately, even though he is small, he's got a slow top speed.

Phenomenon 07-03-2008 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Predanerd (Post 14703174)
Not afraid to play they body, but because he's small, never makes big hits. Unfortunately, even though he is small, he's got a slow top speed.

Actually not true. He has great balance and he used to make big open-ice hits/hip-checks in FNL.

I believe he is told to avoid risks and focus on puck-moving game rather than trying to be more aggressive in physical game. He is a lot like Poor Manīs Timonen and still developing, but I guess he is never going to become more than 2nd pair Dman at highest.

Seth Lake 07-03-2008 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Phenomenon (Post 14705146)
Actually not true. He has great balance and he used to make big open-ice hits/hip-checks in FNL.

I believe he is told to avoid risks and focus on puck-moving game rather than trying to be more aggressive in physical game. He is a lot like Poor Manīs Timonen and still developing, but I guess he is never going to become more than 2nd pair Dman at highest.

Very true, Koistinen was told to play more conservatively last season in terms of making open ice hits. This decision was two-fold, first his foot speed isn't the greatest and by stepping up in the neutral zone to make a hit he took himself out of the play and second the coaching staff wanted him to really simplify his game as much as possible to help his transition to the speed of the NHL game.

I think what is overlooked here is that while Koistinen is not known in Nashville for making very many big hits, he does not hesitiate to take the body and finish checks to separate his man from the puck. That is the primary goal of a body check - to separate your man from the puck...everything else is secondary.

I was actually quite impressed at times last season with Ville's willingness to take the body at times. However, it was really inconsistent and had a lot to do with his overall confidence level. The biggest thing that Ville must demonstrate this season is that he can be consistent over an 82 game schedule, plus playoffs. I think with the trade of Zidlicky and the obvious opening of a spot for him in our top six defensemen that that will go a long way to helping promote confidence, but at the same time Ville must step into camp and really cement the spot as his right off the bat.

braindead 07-03-2008 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phenomenon (Post 14705146)
Actually not true. He has great balance and he used to make big open-ice hits/hip-checks in FNL.

I believe he is told to avoid risks and focus on puck-moving game rather than trying to be more aggressive in physical game. He is a lot like Poor Manīs Timonen and still developing, but I guess he is never going to become more than 2nd pair Dman at highest.

I would agree completely with this analysis.

crossxcheck 07-03-2008 09:41 AM

I'd much prefer Ville over Zanon.

Pattypred 07-03-2008 10:07 AM

I actually prefer Ville over Zids. Ville looked like he could QB the PP.

From what I remember of Timonen during his early days - Ville can be as skilled but with a tougher edge too him - willing to knock someone off the puck.

However, I've only been following hockey for 10 years and could NOT be seeing things clearly.

:sarcasm:

sparkle twin 07-06-2008 11:06 PM

Koistinen filed for arbitration.

echlfreak 07-07-2008 10:42 AM

looking at our roster what would our PP lines be? Losing Zidlicky obviously leaves a gap on the blueline

Koistinen-Weber on the 1st unit
Suter-???- on the 2nd unit

Hamhuis
Devries
Zanon
Klein-likely not in the line up when Koistinen is in and other are healthy

Enoch 07-07-2008 04:20 PM

Suter and Weber pair well together at even strength and on the powerplay. If Koistenen isn't in the lineup, I suspect they will be paired together. If Koistenen is in the lineup, I would pair Suter with Hamhuis or Klein for the second pairing.

sparkle twin 07-29-2008 12:56 AM

Any word on how the hearing went?

Enoch 07-29-2008 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by spank303 (Post 15016191)
Any word on how the hearing went?

I think the arbiter gets either 24 or 48 hours to make the ruling ;). We will find out soon.

My guess: 1 year, 850k

echlfreak 07-29-2008 09:11 AM

my guess $1.1M...1 year

braindead 07-29-2008 10:56 AM

I'll say 1 year $950K. Does the winner get a wkrp turkey?

mattihp 07-29-2008 11:05 AM

Koistinen played very well defensively in the world champs. I was very surprised. Both him and Niskala were very nice in the own end, and paired together. I thought it would've been a disaster defensively... But they worked really nice.

Enoch 07-29-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mattihp (Post 15018676)
Koistinen played very well defensively in the world champs. I was very surprised. Both him and Niskala were very nice in the own end, and paired together. I thought it would've been a disaster defensively... But they worked really nice.

It bodes well for him if he was effective on bigger ice. I seem to recall most of his troubles came with players moving around him while he was back-pedaling.

mattihp 07-29-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch (Post 15019391)
It bodes well for him if he was effective on bigger ice. I seem to recall most of his troubles came with players moving around him while he was back-pedaling.

The last world champs was on small ice... Held in Halifax and Quebec.

bubbabalue 07-29-2008 12:53 PM

How much could he be asking for in order to go to arbitration? It's not like he's established yet.

Seth Lake 07-29-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbabalue (Post 15019851)
How much could he be asking for in order to go to arbitration? It's not like he's established yet.

Would definitely be interesting to see who his agent decided to submit as comparables and how they match up to the list Poile put together.

Personally, I guess 1 year, $875k

BigFatCat999 07-29-2008 03:47 PM

1 year 700K on the Preds website

Joe T Choker 07-29-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFatCat999 (Post 15021780)
1 year 700K on the Preds website

what's the league minimum again ? ... wow, what a ridiculous waste of time

jstreet 07-30-2008 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave is a Killer (Post 15022146)
what's the league minimum again ? ... wow, what a ridiculous waste of time

wow, agreed.


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