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didouche 07-13-2008 02:25 PM

#17 Montreal Canadiens Prospect
 
Ranking so far for the :habs prospects Summer 2008 edition

1. Max Pacioretty Drafted 22nd overall in 2007
2. Ryan McDonagh Drafted 12th overall in 2007
3. Jaroslav Halak Drafted 271st overall in 2003
4. Kyle Chipchura Drafted 18th overall in 2004
5. Ryan O'Byrne Drafted 79th overall in 2003
6. Ben Maxwell Drafted 49th overall in 2006
7. Pavel Valentenko Drafted 139th in 2006
8. P.K Subban Drafted 43rd overall in 2007
9. Alexei Yemelin Drafted 84th overall in 2004
10. David Fisher Drafted 20th overall in 2006
11. Yannick Weber Drafted 73rd overall in 2007
12. Danny Kristo Drafted 56th overall in 2008
13. Matt D'AgostiniDrafted 190th overall in 2005
14. Mathieu Carle Drafted 53rd overall in 2006 (Tie Breaker was necessary)
15. Ryan White Drafted 66th overall in 2006
16. J. T Wyman Drafted 100th overall in 2004


Please vote for #17. The poll will be opened for 24h unless the winner is ahead by a lumpsided affair (like in the case of Mcdonagh 75% of the votes and Ryan White)

Added Patrick Johnson, C

List of the remaining prospects

Scott Kishel, D
Loic Lacasse, G
Ryan Russell, C


REMINDER: According to HF criterias, Carey Price has graduated because he has played more than 45 NHL games

S. Kost is 1 game away from graduation with 52 regular season games+ 12 playoffs games this year (HF criteria=65) but to me he has graduated

Ryan O'byrne will still be considered a prospect as he has only played 37 games with the Habs as well has Halak


REMINDER #2

Here are Fall 2007 rankings

#1 - Carey Price (93.03% of the votes)
#2 - Andrei Kostitsyn (71.64%)
#3 - Ryan Mcdonagh (28.20%)
#4 - Kyle Chipchura (35.35%)
#5 - Jaroslav Halak (36.61%)
#6 - David Fisher (27.74%)
#7 - Sergei Kostitsyn (25.12%)
#8 - Mikhail Grabovski (39.57%)
#9 - Max Pacioretty (43.75%)
#10 - Ben Maxwell (28.72%)
#11 - Alexei Emelin (37.17%)
#12 - Pavel Valentenko (55.69% of the votes)
#13 - Maxim Lapierre (38.71%)
#14 - Ryan O'byrne (60.90%)
#15 - Matt D'Agostini (41.12%)
#16 - Ryan White (45.68%)
#17 - P.K. Subban (45.03%)
#18 - Mathieu Carle (74.81%)
#19 - Corey Locke (22.47%)
#20 - Olivier Fortier (23.08%)

Galchenyuk x 27 07-13-2008 02:30 PM

poll not up yet but I vote Trunev.

WeThreeKings 07-13-2008 02:32 PM

I'm voting Trunev and I'll be asking to add Scott Kishel.

Toro 07-13-2008 02:36 PM

Trunev, has to better then the rest right?

Trunev.....

7th Player 07-13-2008 02:41 PM

has anybody seen trunev play?

didouche 07-13-2008 02:44 PM

sorry for the delay!!!

Fortier for me!!!!!!! Good progression this year!

WeThreeKings 07-13-2008 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by didouche (Post 14858253)


REMINDER #2

Here are Fall 2007 rankings

#1 - Carey Price (93.03% of the votes)
#2 - Andrei Kostitsyn (71.64%)
#3 - Ryan Mcdonagh (28.20%)
#4 - Kyle Chipchura (35.35%)
#5 - Jaroslav Halak (36.61%)
#6 - David Fisher (27.74%)
#7 - Sergei Kostitsyn (25.12%)
#8 - Mikhail Grabovski (39.57%)
#9 - Max Pacioretty (43.75%)
#10 - Ben Maxwell (28.72%)
#11 - Alexei Emelin (37.17%)
#12 - Pavel Valentenko (55.69% of the votes)
#13 - Maxim Lapierre (38.71%)
#14 - Ryan O'byrne (60.90%)
#15 - Matt D'Agostini (41.12%)
#16 - Ryan White (45.68%)
#17 - P.K. Subban (45.03%)
#18 - Mathieu Carle (74.81%)
#19 - Corey Locke (22.47%)
#20 - Olivier Fortier (23.08%)

It's astounding what Timmins has done for our team, look at the list of our last summer top 20 prospects.

9 out of 20 played NHL games.
2 of those 9 were traded, Grabovski wielding a 2nd round + Greg Pateryn as a return. Locke got us an AHL defenceman who may see action as our 7th defenceman, unlikely however.
Carey Price became our number one goaltender. Andrei Kostitsyn our top winger not named Kovalev. Sergei came up and produced admirably while adding grit and that extra spark that rocketed us to 1st in the Eastern Conference. Kyle Chipchura saw a quarter of the season and should be our 3rd/4th line center in the upcoming season. Lapierre graduated as a 4th line pest who adds some aggrivating elements. O'Byrne should be playing with Hamrlik on the second pairing next season, saw a handful of games at the NHL level and performed very well. We also have Jaroslav Halak as our back-up who's capable of taking the load of a number 1 goalie in the NHL.

On the cusp we have Mathieu Carle, Pavel Valentenko and Matt D'Agostini. Carle a PP QB, Valentenko a hard-hitting defenceman with some offensive upside and Matt D'Agostini who could be a very good 3rd line player for us in the future in the mould of Chris Higgins.

Andrighetto Fabolous 07-13-2008 02:44 PM

Trotter... add Russel.

WeThreeKings 07-13-2008 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASSAF HABS AWISS (Post 14858428)
has anybody seen trunev play?

Nope, but where he was picked in the CHL Import plus reports we've read of him and what his ceiling is said to be, you gotta take him here.

Rapmaster 07-13-2008 03:00 PM

Trunev for me, too much upside

Dripper 07-13-2008 03:01 PM

Going with Trunev on this one. Add whoever, it doesn't really matter at this stage since they won't get a vote in the next 5-6 rounds.

Bulis hit 07-13-2008 03:09 PM

Greg Pateryn. If Not here, close to. He belongs in the top 20.

Pierre Dagenais 07-13-2008 03:23 PM

Why are people voting Shawn Belle

TroyM 07-13-2008 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre Dagenais (Post 14858789)
Why are people voting Shawn Belle

Because they think he is our 17th best prospect

I went with Pateryn with HM to Trunev and Torp, now I haven't seen any of them play so I am mostly basing this off of the Development camp in Pateryn's case.

Mustafa* 07-13-2008 03:27 PM

I think that Fortier derve to be in the top 20, the guy won the GC trophy in the Q this year, he is the leader of his team, he is a superb defensive player and his pretty intelligent. The guy was told to get muscles in his leags and he came back with 15 pounds the next camp, it prooves his dedication. Even thought he doesn't have a lot of upside, i think he's one of the rookies that has a lot of chance to become an NHLer one day.

WeThreeKings 07-13-2008 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustafa (Post 14858832)
I think that Fortier derve to be in the top 20, the guy won the GC trophy in the Q this year, he is the leader of his team, he is a superb defensive player and his pretty intelligent. The guy was told to get muscles in his leags and he came back with 15 pounds the next camp, it prooves his dedication. Even thought he doesn't have a lot of upside, i think he's one of the rookies that has a lot of chance to become an NHLer one day.

He may get in at 20. I'm fairly certain if Trunev gets in this round, I'm going Quailer next.

Mustafa* 07-13-2008 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeThreeKings (Post 14858844)
He may get in at 20. I'm fairly certain if Trunev gets in this round, I'm going Quailer next.

I would vote Trunev if i was sure he's not another Grab, if he would have played a bit in NA or if we would have more reports on him and his qualities. I'm realy looking forward to this guy, but i know nothing except he was a rocket at a midget tournament somewhere in the west, but i've been told that he was an overage at the time. If we take the upside of the kid and the confidence that Timmins has in him, i say he's a top five actualy. But we dont know if he will play for the hawks next year, so i'm letting others decide where he should be ranked.

Quailer got realy good features, but it seems that the guy is pretty raw, and is far away from any AHL or NHL unless he can put it all together, he's a project for what i know, but if the project ends up to be what was projected he's just what we're looking for.

Fortier is already good at the role we expect him to play as a professional, a shutdown center, responsible in his own zone, he was the best in the Q last year. So i go with Fortier as the 17th ranked rookie.

All that knowing that i have not see play Quailer nor Trunev.

Iwishihadacup 07-13-2008 03:40 PM

Fortier, The Carbonneau trophy's winner

Marc the Habs Fan 07-13-2008 03:50 PM

Maxim Trunev.

*cue another who has seen him play post?* lol

Sumoki Dachiba 07-13-2008 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre Dagenais (Post 14858789)
Why are people voting Shawn Belle

I voted Shawn Belle because, among other things, he has already played games in the NHL, something that I can guarantee will not happen for the vast majority of the players left fighting for the #17 spot.
I can't fault people voting based on potential (ie Trunev) but Belle is a guy that not only was a standout for Canada at the WJC a few years back but he also has some good tools and may be able to turn his career around. Most of the guys on the list here don't even have a career to speak of as-of-yet.
Who knows if Trunev will ever come over? Will Fortier ever get his strength up to an NHL level? Will Torp get over the year of missed development?
These are the types of questions that Belle has already answered with a 'Yes'. His body and physical skills are NHL ready but his mind/hockey sense are at this point the question marks. He has, though, shown that he is at the least a serviceable 7th defenceman in the NHL. That is good enough for me when comparing him to the rest of this crop.
There you go. :)

Tiger Svoboda 07-13-2008 04:54 PM

I haven't seem most of them play at this point but I don't understand how some people can put Trunev in front of Quailer. From my point of view, Timmins already decided who is the best prospect by selecting Quailer in the third round and Trunev in the fifth. I also assume that he considered all the different aspect before making his mind.

primeking 07-13-2008 04:59 PM

A couple of em are worthy (Torp,Trotter, Belle, Pateryn ) but I feel Trunev has the most upside ( from what ive heard ).

Trunev for me !

Lord Horse 07-13-2008 05:12 PM

Greg Stewart. He's an up-amd-comer and quite a bit further ahead of most of this list.

WeThreeKings 07-13-2008 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger Svoboda (Post 14859590)
I haven't seem most of them play at this point but I don't understand how some people can put Trunev in front of Quailer. From my point of view, Timmins already decided who is the best prospect by selecting Quailer in the third round and Trunev in the fifth. I also assume that he considered all the different aspect before making his mind.

I'd be willing to bet Trunev is selected over Quailer if he isn't russian. Keep in mind Trunev is one of the youngest players to come out of the 2008 draft. So he essentially has one more year of develop than Quailer does.

Chris Cutter 07-13-2008 05:46 PM

Andrew Conboy


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