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Mortal Fear* 08-26-2008 06:44 PM

It's the end of August and there are eight teams outside the cap
 
When are we going to see some action? Discuss.

Reaper45 08-26-2008 06:47 PM

When teams over the cap come down on their asking prices for players.

Super Sniper Cele 08-26-2008 06:52 PM

Who are all the teams that are under/over the cap right now? Anaheim, Philly, and Washington are over, and Atlanta and LA are under I'm pretty sure. Who else?

Peter Griffin 08-26-2008 06:52 PM

My guess is Sakic's decision on Thursday will be the first domino to fall.

Pierre Dagenais 08-26-2008 06:53 PM

I don't think Hatcher counts for Philly's cap

Spawn 08-26-2008 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Sniper Cele (Post 15266005)
Who are all the teams that are under/over the cap right now? Anaheim, Philly, and Washington are over, and Atlanta and LA are under I'm pretty sure. Who else?

According to NHLscap

The Ducks, Flames, Hawks, Flyers, Sharks and Caps are over the cap.

The Kings and thrashers are under the floor.

Mortal Fear* 08-26-2008 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Sniper Cele (Post 15266005)
Who are all the teams that are under/over the cap right now? Anaheim, Philly, and Washington are over, and Atlanta and LA are under I'm pretty sure. Who else?

Calgary, Chicago, and San Jose are also over.

eklunds source 08-26-2008 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pierre Dagenais (Post 15266013)
I don't think Hatcher counts for Philly's cap

He counts until he doesn't pass the physical. Is the physical before or after the date the NHL says teams have to be under?

Peter Griffin 08-26-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eklunds source (Post 15266030)
He counts until he doesn't pass the physical. Is the physical before or after the date the NHL says teams have to be under?

And then he'll continue to count, the Flyers will just be allowed to exceed the cap by his salary.

Mortal Fear* 08-26-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Griffin (Post 15266040)
And then he'll continue to count, the Flyers will just be allowed to exceed the cap by his salary.

What is the point of the rule being like this? Wouldn't it be a lot less confusing and end up with the same result, if he was just not counted?

MrNasty 08-26-2008 07:11 PM

A team can place a player on the LTIR but his salry still counts. The team is allowed to replace his salary while he is the LTIR but the LTIR is meant for players that will eventually return. If they are never expected to return then they are considered retired and if they are over 35 their salary/contract still counts against the cap. Philly is only extending their ability to go over the cap but once the guys come off the LTIR they will have to move players to get under. They are ok for now but will have to comply later in the season.

worstfaceoffmanever 08-26-2008 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Paradox (Post 15266087)
What is the point of the rule being like this? Wouldn't it be a lot less confusing and end up with the same result, if he was just not counted?

It's the same difference, really.


Quote:

The Ducks, Flames, Hawks, Flyers, Sharks and Caps are over the cap.

The Kings and thrashers are under the floor.
Flyers (Hatcher to LTIR), Flames(Warrener or Eriksson and Nilson to waivers), and Kings (rookie bonuses) will all have their problems fixed by the time the season starts, and the Caps (Pothier, possibly Clark to LTIR) will also be under the, erm, cap.

The Sharks aren't over by much but may have to move some salary to free up some wiggle room in case of injuries.

The Ducks will need to move Schneider and possibly Marchant (good luck with that one) to put themselves comfortably under the cap.

The Hawks are still trying to trade Khabibulin which would put them back under.

The Thrashers are something like $2M under the floor so they can just put Valabik on the roster and sign a $1.5M free agent (Malik?) and be set. Or can they just load up contracts with bonuses like LA?

Gusher 08-26-2008 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paradox (Post 15265928)
When are we going to see some action? Discuss.

Most likely towards the end of Training Camp.

Darth Milbury 08-26-2008 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spawn (Post 15266019)
According to NHLscap

The Ducks, Flames, Hawks, Flyers, Sharks and Caps are over the cap.

The Kings and thrashers are under the floor.

NHLnumbers has the Kings, Coyotes, and Thrashers below the floor. The Coyotes and Thrashers are easily within striking distance though so it won't be a problem for them.

LA is well below the cap, but has a ton of RFAs to sign.

brs03 08-26-2008 07:53 PM

For the Caps, Pothier is going on LTIR, no question there. The only way they then would be "over" is if Alzner makes the team. Don't expect them to make any moves until camp, though, because it is yet to be determined who exactly might be moved (do Fehr and Fleischmann make Kozlov expendable? Is Alzner really worth the trouble of moving salary around at this point? How healthy is Clark really? etc).

danishh 08-26-2008 07:53 PM

dont worry. if its the same 30 days from now, expect some action, but until then, no-one is under pressure to do anything.

Hawkscap 08-26-2008 08:05 PM

If the 7% cap overage due to bonuses comes back then the Hawks are under.

massivegoonery 08-26-2008 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by worstfaceoffmanever (Post 15266216)
Kings (rookie bonuses) will all have their problems fixed by the time the season starts,

Those rookie bonuses come off if they're not hit. What do the Kings do come July when they have to retroactively spend $2m?

Drake1588 08-26-2008 09:04 PM

No one is freaking out, because it's still August and the season starts in October. Simple.

Pax Macioretty 08-26-2008 09:07 PM

well Bob Gainey has publicely admitted that plan B after Sundin is to go after an offensive center from a team that's over the cap

Irish Blues 08-26-2008 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Milbury (Post 15266306)
NHLnumbers has the Kings, Coyotes, and Thrashers below the floor.

For shame, Darth ... relying on a source that states up front that it's not very accurate. I figured you would have learned this long ago.

Phoenix is over $40.7 million, no problem - and they still have 1-2 roster spots to fill [which will likely be done from within].

God 08-26-2008 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper45 (Post 15265953)
When teams over the cap come down on their asking prices for players.

Just because the fans ask for a fortune doesn't mean the team will :sarcasm:

Meichel Kane 08-26-2008 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper45 (Post 15265953)
When teams over the cap come down on their asking prices for players.

Or just cut the fat.

btn 08-26-2008 09:58 PM

The Thrashers are working on a contract with Bogosian. Add in Valabik and they are over the floor.

Captain Ron 08-26-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by worstfaceoffmanever (Post 15266216)
It's the same difference, really.

Actually there is a difference. If a player makes $5 million/year for example and is replaced by a player making only $3 million then the $3 million replacement counts as a $5 million against the cap (the cap figure of the injured player). So there is a $2 million difference between the two scenarios.


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