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vladmyir111 09-10-2008 11:15 AM

Avangard v. Metallurg today
 
Well those Metallurg people the rangers are playing in a few weeks got beat down 6-0. Jagr is continuing his (not so) blistering pace of last year with his first goal in 4 games. And I didn't really notice Cherepanov at all, not even sure he played, but I didn't watch the whole game.

Levitate 09-10-2008 11:31 AM

He did, he had several good chances.

He's quite noticeable when he's in the offensive zone

Carlos Ranger 09-10-2008 11:45 AM

Stream here
http://video.sportbox.ru/VidySporta/...astmetallurgma

seems to be starting soon.

edit: I can't tell if this is even live? it keeps starting over.

Cermi 09-10-2008 11:47 AM

Well, I think Cherepanov didn't play because he's injured but I'm not sure.

billy5077 09-10-2008 12:06 PM

Jagr not looking too sharp with that gretzky bucket on his head

TheHotRock 09-10-2008 12:21 PM

this weak stream needs some flomax

nyr2k2 09-10-2008 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DruMez (Post 15403122)
Stream here
http://video.sportbox.ru/VidySporta/...astmetallurgma

seems to be starting soon.

edit: I can't tell if this is even live? it keeps starting over.

The game started at 9AM this morning, EST.

malkinfan 09-10-2008 12:34 PM

What do you mean Cherepanov didn't play?

nyr2k2 09-10-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cermi (Post 15403148)
Well, I think Cherepanov didn't play because he's injured but I'm not sure.

He definitely played. I didn't watch the game, but people were reporting on his chances in another thread.

squishy 09-10-2008 12:45 PM

The game started at 8am NY time, Omsk won 6-0. The link provided by DruMez above will let you watch it on demand.

Cherepanov played, looked to be skating well after sitting out 2 games with a groin injury and as numerous people have said, had a number of good scoring chances.

See the posts later in this thread for more: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=549298

squishy 09-10-2008 01:31 PM

It appears they credited Cherepanov with an assist in the game... according his individual stats on the Omsk web site, anyway. It must have been on Bondarev's goal, since it's shown as a point scored in the 2nd period, and he was on the ice at the time.

The KHL web site hasn't updated their stats yet, so I guess we'll have to wait for "official" confirmation.

The highlight clip for that goal doesn't show the play develop, just Bondarav skating in and scoring, and Cherepanov crashing the front of the net looking for a pass or rebound: http://video.hawk.ru/080910_ao_mmg_5_0.wmv

Levitate 09-10-2008 02:10 PM

I'm assuming that's the one that put them up 5-0...and I don't think he gets an assist on that. Maybe if this was the NHL, but I don't think he touched the puck for awhile before the play happened.

squishy 09-10-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levitate (Post 15404539)
I'm assuming that's the one that put them up 5-0...and I don't think he gets an assist on that. Maybe if this was the NHL, but I don't think he touched the puck for awhile before the play happened.

I'm not sure I agree with it either, but Sovietsky Sport has the fifth goal listed as:

5:0 Bondarev 2 (Kuryanov, Cherepanov, 39.57)

Ola 09-10-2008 04:20 PM

Will this game to be put online so that you can watch it afterwards? Would be great if anyone could post a link.

And also possibly, does anyone know where you can find rostersheets with the numbers of the players in non-crylic? :)

nyr2k2 09-10-2008 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ola (Post 15406036)
Will this game to be put online so that you can watch it afterwards? Would be great if anyone could post a link.

Yes. The link DruMez posted above allows you to watch the game on-demand.

http://video.sportbox.ru/VidySporta/...astmetallurgma

squishy 09-10-2008 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ola (Post 15406036)
And also possibly, does anyone know where you can find rostersheets with the numbers of the players in non-crylic? :)

This link will get you close enough:
http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

CM Lundqvist 09-10-2008 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squishy (Post 15405671)
I'm not sure I agree with it either, but Sovietsky Sport has the fifth goal listed as:

5:0 Bondarev 2 (Kuryanov, Cherepanov, 39.57)

I know you're reliable when it comes to anything Russian Hockey, but I was told that they didn't hand out secondary assists over there.

I would assume that this is not true?

AK2794 09-10-2008 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldshot (Post 15408349)
I know you're reliable when it comes to anything Russian Hockey, but I was told that they didn't hand out secondary assists over there.

I would assume that this is not true?

I was wondering the same thing.

nyr2k2 09-10-2008 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK2794 (Post 15408408)
I was wondering the same thing.

They do in Russia. In the Czech Extra Liga, they do not. I'm sure there are other where only a primary assist is awarded, but Russia is not one of them.

EDIT: The Russian Ice Hockey Federation posted the box score from the game. They do not credit Cherepanov with an assist.

Goals:
I period:
1:0 Svitov A. (Volkov I. 01:26)

II period:
2:0 Pestunov D. (Gladskikh E., Kopeikin A. 23:05)
3:0 Malyshev A. (Volkov I., Svitov A. 28:23)
4:0 Jagr J. (Klepis Y. 35:06 PP)
5:0 Bondarev A. (Kuryanov A. 39:57)

III period:
6:0 Svitov A. ( Popov A., Jagr J. 46.34)

http://www.fhr.ru/

Look at the scores and click the little tab next to the game that says "eng." You can click the other one if you can read Russian, haha.

Lundqvist=Vezina 09-10-2008 08:51 PM

If I recall correctly in Russia they usually only give legit second assists.

vladmyir111 09-11-2008 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lundqvist=Vezina (Post 15408577)
If I recall correctly in Russia they usually only give legit second assists.

That would be a fun debate come time to hand out the scoring champ trophy.

Cherepanisimov 09-11-2008 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldshot (Post 15408349)
I know you're reliable when it comes to anything Russian Hockey, but I was told that they didn't hand out secondary assists over there.

I would assume that this is not true?

they do give them out, just they dont review to see who got the second assist, they just ask the players if they dont see, so it is not as common as in the nhl

Ola 09-11-2008 04:11 PM

I think 2nd assists are becomming more common. All countrys in Europe have always been given them out -- but for a long time it was allot less common then in the NHL.

I actually don't know if there have been any changes lately -- but the diffrence between NHL and IIHF rules have been:

-The IIHF only gives one assist after a rebound.
Example: Gomez feeds Girardi who shots, the goalie saves the shot but Callahan bangs home the rebound. In the NHL Gomez gets a assist, in Europe he won't.

-The IIHF only gives one assist if there is a give and go.
Example: Rozsival sends off Straka and Jagr on a 2 on 1, Straka first passes Jagr who then gives it back to Straka who scores. Rozsival won't get a assist in Europe but he would in the NHL.

-Any deliberate contact by a opposition cancels all assists.
Example: Straka passes to Nyls who trys to feed Jagr infront of the net, but a D gets his stick on the puck. However the puck bounces for the D and Jagr can strip him off the puck like 0.5 seconds after it was intercepted and can score. In the NHL there is 2 assists and in Europe its zero assists.

-And finally, in Europe assists upuntill very recently atleast, was given by the reffs and the reffs only. Today in Europe, just like NHL, assists have been corrected after the game. Like someone watches the highlights and corrects and hands out missed assists. Before the reffs in Europe missed a ton of assists, natrually. They can't remember like who made the pass that lead up to a pass that was converted all the time. That have defenitly boosted the stats.

I don't know if any changes have been made -- but like we saw on Chere's assist it was pretty loose. Though at the same time the NHL seems to give out more and more assits. I remember one Pitt goal where Sid got a 2nd assist. Sid basically made a feed in neutral ice to like Dupuis, and Dup dumped it in, the other teams D collected it and moved it D to D before trying a pass up central ice that was intercepted by Hossa who scored.

I guess people are having this discussion because they want to be able to compare stats -- or judge stats from European leagues. My guess is that the assist count in Europe still defenitly is behind the NHL -- but if a player have 25 assist in 50 games in Europe its hard to say if he would have had 35 or 30 or 27 if NHL standards where used. He defenitly wouldn't have like 40 though. Its not that much.


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