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Selanne08* 09-15-2008 09:30 AM

Col - Tor
 
Tor:
Wolski
Svatos
Raycroft
1st 09


Col:
Toskala
Jason Blake

IranCondraAffair 09-15-2008 09:32 AM

Why would Toronto want Raycroft back?

marmarsab 09-15-2008 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selanne08 (Post 15451424)
Tor:
Wolski
Svatos
Raycroft
1st 09


Col:
Toskala
Jason Blake

Replace Raycroft with Budaj and take Svatos outta the deal and were on to something.

Selanne08* 09-15-2008 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SocioJoeCorvo (Post 15451431)
Why would Toronto want Raycroft back?

1st overall pick. So basically trading Toskala gets you Tavares or Hedman.

Selanne08* 09-15-2008 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHENNsational (Post 15451435)
Replace Raycroft with Budaj and take Svatos outta the deal and were on to something.

Yeah now that I think about it Col might be overpaying big on the first proposal.

Burnaby_Joe* 09-15-2008 09:34 AM

Wow is all I have to say.

Jeffler 09-15-2008 09:35 AM

http://www.jonco48.com/blog/fail_20at_20failing.jpg

Reverend Salty 09-15-2008 09:35 AM

No from the Leafs for the Raycroft part alone. I would rather have Tucks back.

No from the Avs because that is horrible for them. Two young guys and a first for a third liner and Tosk. GM's are fired for these one sided trades.

WJG 09-15-2008 09:52 AM

I could see something along the lines of Toskala for Svatos or Wolski, but not both.

Toronto would also need a goalie coming back (NOT named Raycroft, leaving on Budaj). So it would end up being something like:

To TOR: Svatos/Wolski, Budaj
To COL: Toskala, roster forward (ie. Antropov, Ponikarovsky, Blake, etc)

Blueshirt24 09-15-2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selanne08 (Post 15451439)
1st overall pick. So basically trading Toskala gets you Tavares or Hedman.


So you expect Colorado to finish 29th or 30th? Not every 1st round pick automatically becomes Tavares.

brs03 09-15-2008 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetsyuk40 (Post 15452228)
So you expect Colorado to finish 29th or 30th? Not every 1st round pick automatically becomes Tavares.

I think the point is that this would make the Leafs a last place team, giving them their own pick as the 1st overall.

Silver91 09-15-2008 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redlighting (Post 15451561)
I could see something along the lines of Toskala for Svatos or Wolski, but not both.

Toronto would also need a goalie coming back (NOT named Raycroft, leaving on Budaj). So it would end up being something like:

To TOR: Svatos/Wolski, Budaj
To COL: Toskala, roster forward (ie. Antropov, Ponikarovsky, Blake, etc)

I find it humourous that you name Antropov with Ponikarovsky and Blake as similar value acquisitions. The Leafs wouldn't do that trade unless there's a 1st coming to us.

Christ 09-15-2008 03:11 PM

lol, Raycroft. There is no way that the Leafs would ever consider bringing that guy back. Has anyone ever heard of a team buying out the contract of a player only to trade to bring him back that same summer?

hockeyfan99ss* 09-15-2008 03:24 PM

i think the only way a toskala trade to colorado happens is this.


wolski
1st 09
2nd 09
budaj as a replacement.

toskala
antropov

even then. it doesnt happen. not enough value coming back from toskala and antropov. and we dont need to trade our #1 goaltender even tho i <3 wolski. that first is like bottom 15, probobly bottom 5 if toskala solidifies that team like it should.

Sony Eriksson* 09-15-2008 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selanne08 (Post 15451424)
Tor:
Wolski
Svatos
Raycroft
1st 09


Col:
Toskala
Jason Blake

You have to be a huge Toronto fan with this post. Jason Blake are you serious? Take off the 1st round pick and Wolski going to Toronto. Also remove Toskala and and Raycroft from the proposal and then MAYBE this trade would happen. If Colorado is going to give up Wolski, Svatos and a 1st Toronto better be willing to add Steen into that trade. No way Colorado gives up two young good players for the aging Blake.

Burlington Bomb 26 09-15-2008 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Addiction (Post 15454482)
You have to be a huge Toronto fan with this post. Jason Blake are you serious? Take off the 1st round pick and Wolski going to Toronto. Also remove Toskala and and Raycroft from the proposal and then MAYBE this trade would happen.

so Svatos and Wolski for Blake?:huh:

Coug555 09-15-2008 03:29 PM

Blake sucks. He's hardly worth anything.

P0ckets 09-15-2008 03:31 PM

Avs say No! plain n' simple

Sony Eriksson* 09-15-2008 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GongShowHockeyNYR (Post 15454498)
so Svatos and Wolski for Blake?:huh:

After i said remove 1st round pick, Wolski, Raycroft and Toskala that would leave Svatos for Blake. With Svatos' inability to play a full season and Blake being streaky and 35 years old it may work.

Hale The Villain 09-15-2008 03:37 PM

It should be:

To TOR: Peter Budaj, Wojtek Wolski

To COL: Vesa Toskala, Jason Blake

I will probably get flamed for this but Leafs' fans should stop thinking that Blake has value or even neutral value for that matter. He is a negative value, you have to trade more to just get him off your team.

P0ckets 09-15-2008 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeyfan99ss (Post 15454467)
i think the only way a toskala trade to colorado happens is this.


wolski
1st 09
2nd 09
budaj as a replacement.

toskala
antropov

even then. it doesnt happen. not enough value coming back from toskala and antropov. and we dont need to trade our #1 goaltender even tho i <3 wolski. that first is like bottom 15, probobly bottom 5 if toskala solidifies that team like it should.

I'd be willing to bet that the Avs could get a better deal for that package than Toskala and Antropov.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GongShowHockeyNYR (Post 15454498)
so Svatos and Wolski for Blake?:huh:

I think it comes out to Svatos for Blake, and still no thanks from the Avs.

P0ckets 09-15-2008 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensational Spezza (Post 15454636)
It should be:

To TOR: Peter Budaj, Wojtek Wolski

To COL: Vesa Toskala, Jason Blake

I will probably get flamed for this but Leafs' fans should stop thinking that Blake has value or even neutral value for that matter. He is a negative value, you have to trade more to just get him off your team.

ummmm, no

Squeaky 09-15-2008 04:02 PM

How can Leaf fans turn this one down? You unload Blake and pick up two quality youngsters and a 1st to boot. That is a massive overpayment for Toskala. This deal would dramatically speed up the rebuild. Just because Raycroft sucks doesn't mean the deal won't be a huge boost to your franchise.

Needless to say, I think the Avs decline this trade. It's awful for them.

MarryMarner 09-15-2008 04:08 PM

what about....


Toskala
Kaberle
Ponikarovsky

for

Wolski
Liles
Budaj
1st Round pick

Antropov-Steen-Kulemin
Blake-Wolski-Tlusty
Bell-Stajan-Hagman

Kubina-Stralman
Liles-Finger
Van Ryn- Colaiacovo

Budaj

MarryMarner 09-15-2008 04:09 PM

^^^^ in my opinion

Wolski and Liles = Kaberle
Budaj and 1st = Toskala

You get poni for free :)


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