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JLHockeyKnight 09-18-2008 05:40 PM

Derian Hatcher officially put on LTIR
 
Per TSN.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2499...=headlines_nhl

RoDu 09-18-2008 05:48 PM

Is he still going to scrimmage in the pre-season?

BobbyClarkeFan16 09-18-2008 05:53 PM

good riddance....

ChumpyG 09-18-2008 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoDu (Post 15489564)
Is he still going to scrimmage in the pre-season?

I think it was the article about Captain Cannon that had Homer saying Hatch wouldn't be attending training camp, so I would doubt he'd be at any scrimmages.

HoverCarle* 09-18-2008 07:43 PM

Shame for the guy but his knees are messed up

Valhoun* 09-18-2008 07:47 PM

You can't blame him for signing a nice contract and you can't blame him for wanting to play it out. Hopefully he can rehab enough and get back in playing shape in time for the playoffs. There's no cap then and he'll be a valuable #6/7... there's no way in hell this team (or any team, really) gets to the playoffs will a healthy D-corps and he'll be a much needed warm body.

PhilaFlyers 09-18-2008 07:51 PM

Thank you.

Raffl House 09-18-2008 08:17 PM

I think its tough for a guy who plays his heart out, and a lot of people are saying "thank god" and "good riddance" but the guy did a nice job on special teams here and was a leader for this team. I appreciate what he has done with the condition his body was in and I'm surprised he's made it this far. Good luck Hatch!

CharlieGirl 09-18-2008 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joethunder (Post 15490931)
I think its tough for a guy who plays his heart out, and a lot of people are saying "thank god" and "good riddance" but the guy did a nice job on special teams here and was a leader for this team. I appreciate what he has done with the condition his body was in and I'm surprised he's made it this far. Good luck Hatch!

Well said. Coburn is a better defender because of Hatcher, and he's a big reason the PK has been so good.

Dig Out Your Soul 09-18-2008 08:38 PM

For all his faults, I still miss the guy when he's not out there.

mm6492 09-18-2008 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm in a Teacup (Post 15491130)
For all his faults, I still miss the guy when he's not out there.

agreed.

He looked great in the playoffs, and I will miss Hatcher killing people. It definitely eliminates some physical play but hopefully Vananen can pick that up. Hawqtcher will be missed, but with his knee conditions, this had to be done.

BobbyClarkeFan16 09-18-2008 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joethunder (Post 15490931)
I think its tough for a guy who plays his heart out, and a lot of people are saying "thank god" and "good riddance" but the guy did a nice job on special teams here and was a leader for this team. I appreciate what he has done with the condition his body was in and I'm surprised he's made it this far. Good luck Hatch!

I don't regret a thing at all that I said about Hatcher. From the day they signed him, I knew it meant the end of Markov and Johnsson, two guys who were absolute warriors for the Flyers during their 03-04 playoff run. It's funny that the Flyers would give a washed up has beens like Hatcher and Rathje a big contract, but wouldn't spend the money it would take to re-sign our best defenseman in Johnsson.

And to be perfectly honest, I am glad he's gone. He was nothing more than a turn stile out on the ice who constantly had to rely on hooking and holding to keep close to people. He was a detriment out there. People can say what they want about how Hatcher 'taught' Coburn to be a defenseman, but I'm willing to bet Johnsson and Markov would have done just as good a job.

That's what pisses me off about Hatcher - the guys we lost to keep him on the roster when he didn't even deserve to make the Phantoms squad.

flyersfan97 09-18-2008 10:27 PM

I think the loss of Hatch is going to be felt more than many people realize. He may not have been the most mobile guy out there, but he could still punish the crap out of an opponent against the boards. I wish him nothing but the best. Isn't he the first American captain to win a Cup? That alone is pretty sweet.

McNasty 09-18-2008 11:20 PM

It's bitter sweet for me personally. Before this past playoff season i would probably be thrilled. But he showed when healthy he can still play. Let's face it without him we have a soft blueline, even with him its still pretty soft. He's a leader on the ice and off of it, and one hell of a penalty killer. Say what you want about his limitations skating and handling the puck, but Hatcher is a guy that will definitely be missed.

Unstable 09-18-2008 11:30 PM

I think to some extent he's still dogged by that first season when we had him and (God help us) Therien. One of those players was worth dressing that year, and it was Hatch.

ELab2 09-19-2008 12:01 AM

*****-ific

Yukon Cornelius 09-19-2008 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 15491455)
I don't regret a thing at all that I said about Hatcher. From the day they signed him, I knew it meant the end of Markov and Johnsson, two guys who were absolute warriors for the Flyers during their 03-04 playoff run. It's funny that the Flyers would give a washed up has beens like Hatcher and Rathje a big contract, but wouldn't spend the money it would take to re-sign our best defenseman in Johnsson.

And to be perfectly honest, I am glad he's gone. He was nothing more than a turn stile out on the ice who constantly had to rely on hooking and holding to keep close to people. He was a detriment out there. People can say what they want about how Hatcher 'taught' Coburn to be a defenseman, but I'm willing to bet Johnsson and Markov would have done just as good a job.

That's what pisses me off about Hatcher - the guys we lost to keep him on the roster when he didn't even deserve to make the Phantoms squad.

First off, Markov, on numerous accounts stated that he was returning to Russia because of the uncertainty surrounding the new agreement between the League and the PA. Second, When Minnesota nearly quadrupled Jonsson's salary following a concussion riddled-season, the Flyers made a tough decision to not match and walk away. Third, Hatcher was, and is, a class act for this organization. His selflessness and willingness to play hurt down the stretch is the type of example and lesson I want imparted onto my young players regarding sacrificing yourself for the greater good of the team. Go back and watch the playoffs again, or the season for that matter, and you'll see that Hatcher fine tuned his positional play to make up for his ridiculously slow foot speed. I used to curse Hatcher with a tongue that would make Richard Pryor blush but at the end of last year's run, he was the epitome of a warrior.

GoneFullHextall 09-19-2008 12:56 PM

he is going to be missed. he could still punish people and would allways stand up for a teammate.
I may have called him names like slug, sloth ect. but I will miss the guy. Hope he is good enough to go in the playoffs. Would like to see him get a job in the organization after he offically retires.

LEIFey 09-19-2008 01:09 PM

if he comes back rested and fully recovered for the playoffs, he could be a very valuable piece in a drive. he's an awesome team guy and definitely someone i want in my locker room.

Claude28Giroux 09-19-2008 03:52 PM

He is slower then a glacier but i will miss his bad ass out on the ice when he used to man handle guys and crush little guys. You can't deny he tried making huge hits just ask Lupul.

IrishSniper87 09-19-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCannon (Post 15498478)
He is slower then a glacier but i will miss his bad ass out on the ice when he used to man handle guys and crush little guys. You can't deny he tried making huge hits just ask Lupul.

I hate that his biggest hit this past season was against Joffrey Lupul.

Number8 09-19-2008 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEIFey (Post 15496745)
if he comes back rested and fully recovered for the playoffs, he could be a very valuable piece in a drive. he's an awesome team guy and definitely someone i want in my locker room.

I'd be willing to bet anything that if Hatcher even begins to remotely look like he's trying to come back, Holmgren will pull a Tonya Harding and hire someone to break his kneecap. That $3M+ won't go anywhere near the Flyers cap if he can help it.

Miracle80 09-20-2008 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrKurri'soupkitchen (Post 15496466)
First off, Markov, on numerous accounts stated that he was returning to Russia because of the uncertainty surrounding the new agreement between the League and the PA. Second, When Minnesota nearly quadrupled Jonsson's salary following a concussion riddled-season, the Flyers made a tough decision to not match and walk away. Third, Hatcher was, and is, a class act for this organization. His selflessness and willingness to play hurt down the stretch is the type of example and lesson I want imparted onto my young players regarding sacrificing yourself for the greater good of the team. Go back and watch the playoffs again, or the season for that matter, and you'll see that Hatcher fine tuned his positional play to make up for his ridiculously slow foot speed. I used to curse Hatcher with a tongue that would make Richard Pryor blush but at the end of last year's run, he was the epitome of a warrior.

I've never been a Hatcher fan but I agree with this. But Kapanen is Warrior, deal with it.:sarcasm: And I do not ever want to see him(Hatcher) in a Flyers uniform again.

dawkins121 09-20-2008 03:53 AM

Hatcher was a leader, he hit hard, and there were few better on the PK. Was he worth 3.5 mil a year? No. But he was definitely a warrior and solid contributer to this team. So as relieved as I am to have his salary off the books, I think it is unfair to sit here and say "good riddance" because he did give his all to this franchise.

BobbyClarkeFan16 09-20-2008 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrKurri'soupkitchen (Post 15496466)
First off, Markov, on numerous accounts stated that he was returning to Russia because of the uncertainty surrounding the new agreement between the League and the PA. Second, When Minnesota nearly quadrupled Jonsson's salary following a concussion riddled-season, the Flyers made a tough decision to not match and walk away. Third, Hatcher was, and is, a class act for this organization. His selflessness and willingness to play hurt down the stretch is the type of example and lesson I want imparted onto my young players regarding sacrificing yourself for the greater good of the team. Go back and watch the playoffs again, or the season for that matter, and you'll see that Hatcher fine tuned his positional play to make up for his ridiculously slow foot speed. I used to curse Hatcher with a tongue that would make Richard Pryor blush but at the end of last year's run, he was the epitome of a warrior.

Markov did not state he was returning to Russia. Markov said Russia was always an option. The biggest problem Markov had was that there were players he believed that were collecting pay cheques claiming to be hurt when he wondered if they really were. Markov said that he could claim he was hurt as well because he played through the playoffs with broken feet, but he didn't complain once about it. That's what got Markov going and when he joked he might seek about getting payment, word got back to Philadelphia about what he said and Clarke was not amused.

Second, with regards to Jonsson, his salary did not quadruple. His salary went from 2.5 million after the lockout to 5.25million a year when he signed the contract with Minnesota. It doubled. Hatcher, on the other hand, was coming off major knee surgery and did not play very well that past few seasons before the lockout. Johnsson deserved the benefit of the doubt after having the concussion. It was Johnsson's first, he was ready to come back come playoff time, the Flyers held him out. He was ready to play.

As for Hatcher being a 'class act', what exactly has he done to be a class act? And to be honest, when hear about how 'selfless' he was and how he 'continued' to play through injury, I look at what Markov did and what Johnsson did for us when Markov played throughout the playoffs on two broken feet and Johnsson played with a thumb so badly broken, he could barely hold a stick.

The Hatcher/Rathje signings were the absolute WORST contract signings that set this franchise back. If it's one thing I'll grill my namesake idol for, it's for those two foolish, foolish signings because Clarke honestly thought the refs were going to call the game it was prior to the lockout. What makes the moves even more foolish is the fact that Ed Snider was on the competition committee and that Ed knew things were going to be called and that it wasn't going to be like the old days. Clarke really, really, really dropped the ball with those two signings and it came back to bite us hard because those two contracts were immovable contracts.


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