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ArchieIsGod 09-23-2008 03:14 PM

Luca Sbisa
 
interesting article in the paper today. do you think he will be in the opening night lineup?

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sport...th_Flyers.html

Jester 09-23-2008 03:20 PM

No...

BillyShoe1721 09-23-2008 03:22 PM

No way. Our defense has got some serious issues if he even gets consideration

BobbyClarkeFan16 09-23-2008 03:48 PM

If he's ready to contribute, then it makes no sense for him not to be on the opening night roster. The Flyers have 10 games to give him a look/see. If Luca is playing a regular shift and if he seems competent and comfortable out there, then there should be no reason why he doesn't get a spot.

People make too much out of things some times. This whole 'he's too young, he needs to be experienced, he needs to learn the pro grame' rhetoric is garbage. You either have it or you don't. The only reason Sbisa should be sent down is if he isn't ready.

CantSeeColors 09-23-2008 04:01 PM

He's wearing number 47...

FlyLife 09-23-2008 04:03 PM

I think he's got the hockey sense, and ability to make it in the NHL this season, but I think he needs to put on some more size before that can happen. It looked like he got pushed around too easily last night. The earliest I can see him making the team is next season. Besides we have way too many defenders on this team currently. Give him another year, and see what our defenders right now can do.

GKJ 09-23-2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CantSeeColors (Post 15543035)
He's wearing number 47...

And?


That said, he won't make the team. If he does, the defensemen we brought in have serious issues.

ForsbergIsOdin 09-23-2008 04:08 PM

is 47 is actual #, or just some training camp number.

Ive always liked the #47 for some reason... Couldn't tell you why

Totally Radivojevic 09-23-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 15542843)
If he's ready to contribute, then it makes no sense for him not to be on the opening night roster. The Flyers have 10 games to give him a look/see. If Luca is playing a regular shift and if he seems competent and comfortable out there, then there should be no reason why he doesn't get a spot.

People make too much out of things some times. This whole 'he's too young, he needs to be experienced, he needs to learn the pro grame' rhetoric is garbage. You either have it or you don't. The only reason Sbisa should be sent down is if he isn't ready.

Agree completely. What will a ten day trial hurt, and if he looks horrific he can catch the next flight to Lethbridge. Let's see how he fairs.

Jester 09-23-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 15542843)
If he's ready to contribute, then it makes no sense for him not to be on the opening night roster. The Flyers have 10 games to give him a look/see. If Luca is playing a regular shift and if he seems competent and comfortable out there, then there should be no reason why he doesn't get a spot.

Well, for starters I'm pretty sure we haven't signed him to a NHL contract yet, and we don't have a contract to give without trading someone else...So, just signing him for a 10 game try out at the expense of losing another asset is a bit silly.

Quote:

People make too much out of things some times. This whole 'he's too young, he needs to be experienced, he needs to learn the pro grame' rhetoric is garbage. You either have it or you don't. The only reason Sbisa should be sent down is if he isn't ready.
It's not garbage, it's why players get better from their rookie year on...because they get experience...learn the pro game...and develop physically.

What's more odd is that I know you celebrated the arrival of Luce here and he's someone who is philosophically opposed to any player going directly to the NHL without spending time in the AHL.

BWAVgal 09-23-2008 04:39 PM

No, he won't be in the lineup. Eminger and Vaananen look to be good additions for our lineup. He doesn't have a chance.

BringBackStevens 09-23-2008 04:40 PM

Look, Sbisa showed a lot of promise last night, but if people think he is ready for the NHL after that game i think they need their prescriptions checked

McNasty 09-23-2008 04:59 PM

He needs to add some muscle, but I can see him getting a real hard look next year.

BillyShoe1721 09-23-2008 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 15542843)
If he's ready to contribute, then it makes no sense for him not to be on the opening night roster. The Flyers have 10 games to give him a look/see. If Luca is playing a regular shift and if he seems competent and comfortable out there, then there should be no reason why he doesn't get a spot.

People make too much out of things some times. This whole 'he's too young, he needs to be experienced, he needs to learn the pro grame' rhetoric is garbage. You either have it or you don't. The only reason Sbisa should be sent down is if he isn't ready.

Yeah, but you see the problem is it didn't even look like he was close to ready last night. He was getting pushed around all over the ice, and although he is mature for his age, he still needs polishing and he needs to put on some more weight.

BobbyClarkeFan16 09-23-2008 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 15543443)
Well, for starters I'm pretty sure we haven't signed him to a NHL contract yet, and we don't have a contract to give without trading someone else...So, just signing him for a 10 game try out at the expense of losing another asset is a bit silly.

I have no problems with that. I understand Sbisa doesn't have a contract. However, if he plays well, it's really going to force the management to make some decisions. And if he's signed and we have to send him back, it doesnt' necessarily mean that we're losing someone. For instance, people on here seem to think Parent's not ready, so worse case scenario is that Parent gets sent to the Phantoms for a few games so that management decides what to do with Sbisa. It's a good scenario to have because Sbisa is going to push people to perform.

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 15543443)
It's not garbage, it's why players get better from their rookie year on...because they get experience...learn the pro game...and develop physically.

It is garbage rhetoric because it's an excuse by many teams. Hey, if a guy's ready, he's ready. You know it, I know it, everyone else knows it. If you're sending someone down not because they're ready, but because you've got contract issues to work out or because they have this loop hole that they don't have to pass through waivers, it's a shoddy way to treat someone who beat out a veteran. That's my problem with everything. If you've got a young guy who comes in and clearly beats out a veteran, but you keep the veteran on board because the young player doesn't have to clear waivers or can be sent back to junior, then it's a piss poor policy management has in place. If the understanding is that you go with your best players to win, what does a scenario like this say?

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 15543443)
What's more odd is that I know you celebrated the arrival of Luce here and he's someone who is philosophically opposed to any player going directly to the NHL without spending time in the AHL.

I did celebrate the arrival of Luce and I will continue to celebrate the arrival of Luce because the man has an eye for talent and more importantly, has a good idea on how to develop talent. Part of the problem with the Flyers over the past few years is that we've seen plenty of young talent come through the doors and be sent out just as quick because they haven't been developed properly.

With that being said, just because Luce's philosophical view of players spending time in the AHL is mandatory, it doesn't mean that it's something that every player should fall under. I'm a firm believer of the best players get the jobs. If you have a young player and he's not ready, then yes, the AHL or Junior Hockey is certainly fine. Nothing wrong with that. My only preference is that if you send someone to the AHL, then you leave them there for the year. Don't call them up if you're only going to play them 7 to 9 minutes a night. It's detrimental. Leave them there for the full year to play 17 to 20 minutes a night and then next season when training camp rolls around, they're ready to log big minutes.

However, if you have a player that's ready, has outperformed a lot of the veterans on the team, but you're sending him back to junior or the AHL based on a philosophy, is that doing the player any good?

BobbyClarkeFan16 09-23-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BiLLY_ShOE1721 (Post 15544005)
Yeah, but you see the problem is it didn't even look like he was close to ready last night. He was getting pushed around all over the ice, and although he is mature for his age, he still needs polishing and he needs to put on some more weight.

and you know what, then that's fine. If he's not ready to contribute, then send him back to junior. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying that if someone is ready to contribute, and from all the reports that I've read about Sbisa and from the glowing reports management have given, then it sounds like a ten game trial might be in the works for him. If he's not ready, then you can send him back. No harm, no foul.

BillyShoe1721 09-23-2008 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 15544130)
and you know what, then that's fine. If he's not ready to contribute, then send him back to junior. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying that if someone is ready to contribute, and from all the reports that I've read about Sbisa and from the glowing reports management have given, then it sounds like a ten game trial might be in the works for him. If he's not ready, then you can send him back. No harm, no foul.

I agree with you 100%. If a guy should be here, he should be here. So a veteran gets pissed he got bumped by a rook, too bad, live with it. Should've worked harder.

mm6492 09-23-2008 05:24 PM

this year: Giroux and eventually downie
next year: Sbisa and JvR

gagne-Richards-Briere
JvR-Carter-Giroux
Lupul-Downie-Hartnell
Cote-Metro-asham

Timmonen-Coburn
Parent-Sbisa
Jones-Eminger

very fast D that could use some size but is very gritty.

Jester 09-23-2008 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BiLLY_ShOE1721 (Post 15544158)
I agree with you 100%. If a guy should be here, he should be here. So a veteran gets pissed he got bumped by a rook, too bad, live with it. Should've worked harder.

The issue isn't the veteran, it's the short-sighted "must be now" mentality with young talented players. Not everyone, even if they have the hockey talent, should be playing in the NHL. You can't tell me for a moment Joni Pitkanen wouldn't have been better off playing in Finland for a couple of years...people point DIRECTLY to the Flyers keeping Dainus Zubrus up at 18 y/o for stunting his offensive potential at the NHL level.

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Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 15544096)
With that being said, just because Luce's philosophical view of players spending time in the AHL is mandatory, it doesn't mean that it's something that every player should fall under. I'm a firm believer of the best players get the jobs. If you have a young player and he's not ready, then yes, the AHL or Junior Hockey is certainly fine. Nothing wrong with that. My only preference is that if you send someone to the AHL, then you leave them there for the year. Don't call them up if you're only going to play them 7 to 9 minutes a night. It's detrimental. Leave them there for the full year to play 17 to 20 minutes a night and then next season when training camp rolls around, they're ready to log big minutes.

No, that's EXACTLY what his philosophy of player development is. That in the long-term young players are far better served in their development by a full season in the AHL...no matter how good they might be. We may or may not agree with that, I just find it odd you'd be such a huge Luce supporter, while at the same time directly disagreeing with one of the main aspects of his developmental philosophy.

CantSeeColors 09-23-2008 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by go kim johnsson 514 (Post 15543091)
And?


That said, he won't make the team. If he does, the defensemen we brought in have serious issues.

and if they expected him to have a shot at making the team, he'd be wearing a real number.

FlyLife 09-23-2008 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mm6492 (Post 15544199)
this year: Giroux and eventually downie
next year: Sbisa and JvR

gagne-Richards-Briere
JvR-Carter-Giroux
Lupul-Downie-Hartnell
Cote-Metro-asham

Timmonen-Coburn
Parent-Sbisa
Jones-Eminger

very fast D that could use some size but is very gritty.

Don't forget Brodov

Chuck Downie 09-23-2008 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff VanRichards (Post 15545221)
Don't forget Brodov

and possibly Lehtivuori.

HighOFFHockey 09-23-2008 07:35 PM

way way to early to talk about next year. plus i would to see the flyers keep upshall if they can sign him for a good price.

Raffl House 09-23-2008 07:38 PM

I hope he plays a monster preseason and then goes and dominates in juniors. Then we'll talk. One preseason game where he looked decent and good scoring in fitness testing doesn't mean a damn thing.

ELab2 09-23-2008 08:23 PM

No chance this year... maybe next year

there will be huge turnover once again on this team next year though

Lehtivuori, Ratchuk, Marshall, Bartulis, Bodrov, and Sbisa all have a good shot at being pretty close to ready. That's a lot of d-men.


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