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Habs10Habs 10-18-2008 11:49 PM

Gaborik Rumor Thread Part II
 
And so it continues......

Part I
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=559405

Kachino 10-18-2008 11:52 PM

Gaborik :scared: Had to do it before Russeltown...

If we ever trade for him, he better be signed for a long term contract...

Brass 10-18-2008 11:57 PM

2 words , Please NO! :shakehead:

Namso 10-19-2008 12:00 AM

wells its confirmed that gaborik is the new hossa/sundin.

Erika 10-19-2008 12:25 AM

I really hope this rumor is true !!

I can't wait to see Gaborik in the Habs uniform !! :handclap:

Can anybody tell me why Higgins wasn't dress tonight ?! Wasn't he suppose to be ready to play ?


:teach:

Clumsyhab 10-19-2008 12:34 AM

If Gaborik could isn't injury prone and already has a contract, I would do this trade ASAP. Losing a good two-way forward that won't cost much in Higgins, a potential #1 goalie and a #1 pick to get a guy that might play 50-60 games for your team with sub par performance in the playoff the last 2 seasons, you gotta think twice

Btw, this video makes me laugh:
http://www.rds.ca/video/visionneuse.html?video=15725

That guy don't know the existence of cap room (that trade would add 3.9M to our cap space) and wth, he says a 1st round pick is worth nothing for us.

hototogisu 10-19-2008 12:38 AM

Would still rather a top-4 defenseman than Gaborik...we don't need more scoring. We should be looking at getting Bouwmeester if we want to go after a rental...

Tricolore#20 10-19-2008 01:23 AM

Do we really need a continuous thread about this? It isn't going to happen, and the longer Gaborik stays in Minnesota, the more absurd these threads get
!

brownman* 10-19-2008 01:48 AM

The Habs would win 65 games with Bouwmeester

Artyukhin* 10-19-2008 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownman (Post 15922002)
The Habs would win 65 games with Bouwmeester

not a good fit .I think our D is solid and with whats coming we dont need Bouwmeester. We need to resign Komo and let the young guys play a role


You add another guy who will score 50 goals in MONTREAL id say the result will be the same

guest1467 10-19-2008 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doug mckenzie (Post 15922024)
not a good fit .I think our D is solid and with whats coming we dont need Bouwmeester. We need to resign Komo and let the young guys play a role


You add another guy who will score 50 goals in MONTREAL id say the result will be the same

Your foolish, Bouwmeester would turn this club into a powerhouse.

benji 10-19-2008 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tricolore#20 (Post 15921831)
Do we really need a continuous thread about this? It isn't going to happen, and the longer Gaborik stays in Minnesota, the more absurd these threads get
!

Lots of people obviously want to talk about it, even if it won't happen. What kind of board is this becoming anyways? I thought it was a discussion board. Plus, email your complaints to RDS, they're the official source printing this stuff.

I'd take Bouwmeester over Gaborik on this team, for the record. He would be the perfect fit in my opinion, and others' as well I see ;)

Artyukhin* 10-19-2008 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 15922040)
Your foolish, Bouwmeester would turn this club into a powerhouse.

your right i am foolish but not the way you think i am :)


i said he isnt a good fit in Montreal . Check the news .


and i said adding a guy who can score 50 a year in Montreal will have the SAME effect . You dont think a 50 goal scorer wouldnt turn the team into a power house?

Marksman 10-19-2008 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doug mckenzie (Post 15922024)
not a good fit .I think our D is solid and with whats coming we dont need Bouwmeester. We need to resign Komo and let the young guys play a role


You add another guy who will score 50 goals in MONTREAL id say the result will be the same

Its not that simple. If we traded for Gaborik he would be displacing one 25 goals winger, Higgins or Kostitsyn sr, take your pick.

And his career highl is "only" 42 goals, playing like 25 minutes per game, which he would never get with this Habs team. Personally I'm having some doubts he improves that far from that, because hes not built to last full season of NHL hockey, just like Havlat.

I dont think we are well set, we are a deep team with some reserves (Higgins/Bouillon) left untapped. Habs are not in need to make moves, unless one of our key guys get hurt near the deadlines.

guest1467 10-19-2008 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doug mckenzie (Post 15922067)
your right i am foolish but not the way you think i am :)


i said he isnt a good fit in Montreal . Check the news .


and i said adding a guy who can score 50 a year in Montreal will have the SAME effect . You dont think a 50 goal scorer wouldnt turn the team into a power house?

You say Bouwmeester isn't a good fit but then say another forward would turn this team into a powerhouse? BTW, Gaborik has never broke 40 goals, so you have no idea what your talking about. Bouwmeester would make our defense the best in the conference and even rival Detriots and Anahiems. He is a top 7 defensemen in the league, he brings much more to the table than Gaborik does. Not only is Bouwmeester solid on defense, he contributes to the offense alot as well. Sorry, but no, Gaborik would not have the same effect as Bouwmeester because we already have plenty of forward depth, but our defense isn't as deep.

Artyukhin* 10-19-2008 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 15922090)
You say Bouwmeester isn't a good fit but then say another forward would turn this team into a powerhouse? BTW, Gaborik has never broke 40 goals, so you have no idea what your talking about. Bouwmeester would make our defense the best in the conference and even rival Detriots and Anahiems. He is a top 7 defensemen in the league, he brings much more to the table than Gaborik does. Not only is Bouwmeester solid on defense, he contributes to the offense alot as well. Sorry, but no, Gaborik would not have the same effect as Bouwmeester because we already have plenty of forward depth, but our defense isn't as deep.

;) first you called me foolish

now your telling me i dont know what im talking about ?:)


he has scored more than 40 he had 42 last year .You also notice he socred 38 in 65 and 30 in 48 games.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=2096

You unleash him on this type of team we have he might bag 60


listen i said Bow doesnt fit Montreal and i say that for a few reasons . 1 his salary we wont be able to fit . 2. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stor...r.html?ref=rss


number 2 might be a problem for some

Clumsyhab 10-19-2008 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 15922090)
You say Bouwmeester isn't a good fit but then say another forward would turn this team into a powerhouse? BTW, Gaborik has never broke 40 goals, so you have no idea what your talking about. Bouwmeester would make our defense the best in the conference and even rival Detriots and Anahiems. He is a top 7 defensemen in the league, he brings much more to the table than Gaborik does. Not only is Bouwmeester solid on defense, he contributes to the offense alot as well. Sorry, but no, Gaborik would not have the same effect as Bouwmeester because we already have plenty of forward depth, but our defense isn't as deep.

I agree, we need a Bouwmeester much more than a Gaborik. With Bouwmeester, I really don't know how we could not get into the Stanley Cup finals.

brownman* 10-19-2008 02:19 AM

Shift 1: "Here's Markov across his own blueline with a nifty pass to Andrei Kostitsyn in full stride as he moves down the right side..."

Next shift: "Bouwmeester with Lucic on his tail - OH he eludes him with a nifty spin along the wall - now swiftly into the neutral zone is the 6'4" Jay Bouwmeester, across to Lang who dumps it in..."

Next Shift: "1:06 gone here in the first period, 2-0 Habs as Hamrlik waits patiently behind Carey Price - who has yet to face a shot here in the early going - Hamrlik with a crisp pass to the Captain, Saku Koivu, across the Bruins' blueline - he drops it to #13 Alex Tanguay..."

DJFP 10-19-2008 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownman (Post 15922153)
Shift 1: "Here's Markov across his own blueline with a nifty pass to Andrei Kostitsyn in full stride as he moves down the right side..."

Next shift: "Bouwmeester with Lucic on his tail - OH he eludes him with a nifty spin along the wall - now swiftly into the neutral zone is the 6'4" Jay Bouwmeester, across to Lang who dumps it in..."

Next Shift: "1:06 gone here in the first period, 2-0 Habs as Hamrlik waits patiently behind Carey Price - who has yet to face a shot here in the early going - Hamrlik with a crisp pass to the Captain, Saku Koivu, across the Bruins' blueline - he drops it to #13 Alex Tanguay..."

yeah pretty much sums it up right there...

gaborik = band aid
Jaybo = unreal top 4

beowulf 10-19-2008 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tricolore#20 (Post 15921831)
Do we really need a continuous thread about this? It isn't going to happen, and the longer Gaborik stays in Minnesota, the more absurd these threads get
!

Totally agreed. Some people like to live in a dream world.

Artyukhin* 10-19-2008 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beowulf (Post 15922248)
Totally agreed. Some people like to live in a dream world.

when bothsides (Wild and Gaboriks agent)say there not speaking to one another and no negotiations are taking place what more fuel do you need for the fire?When he turns down 80 million what more fuel do you need for the fire?

This thread is more worthy that some others on the board;)

RC51 10-19-2008 06:27 AM

Jaybo is Not being shopped at all.

The deal is for Gaborik.

The latest as per RDS is the wild want Higgins Halak and a 1st.
AS much as I love Higgins and I really do, he has a CH on his heart.
Last year we could not give Halak away and a 1st for MTL is a 28th pick. SO if this deal is for a deal that signs Gaborik for at least 5 years at a 7.5 rate or so, then you can not pass this up.
We keep McDo, FIsher,Weber,Suban,Pac,Maxwell and all the rest.

It would be hard to lose Higgins, he loves the Habs and would throw himself in front of a bus to stay here, A signed Gaborik is a better overall option for the Habs but If ever Higgins wants back into the Habs fold I would move a ton to get him back one day.

JGRB 10-19-2008 06:35 AM

And if Gaborik signs, who walks? Tanguay, Kovalev.. Koivu? One of them walks. Who? Tell me which one, and why.

King of Uniacke 10-19-2008 06:37 AM

Gaborik is good but D-man should be where we are looking.
 
As much as gaborik is a good player if you look at our team we are pretty deep in the forward position, i think our efforts would be better used at a D-man, like a Jay Bouwmeester, or another top level guy. But as far as when to make this move I say not for a long time no need to do anything with the way the boys are playing right now.

BaseballCoach 10-19-2008 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of Uniacke (Post 15922679)
As much as gaborik is a good player if you look at our team we are pretty deep in the forward position, i think our efforts would be better used at a D-man, like a Jay Bouwmeester, or another top level guy. But as far as when to make this move I say not for a long time no need to do anything with the way the boys are playing right now.

I think it's a pretty simple thing.

If we add a Gaborik and lose a Higgins, we marginally improve our attack (maybe 15 goals per year). However, we significantly weaken our defensive forward group. Higgins is a great PK and good shutdown player when needed to be.

On the other hand, I have NEVER YET seen a team that is "forecheck proof" fail to be a contender. The Habs' strength in the 1970s was the Big Three. The other team could dump the puck in all they wanted, our guys would just come out with it.

To a lesser extent, this is was also true of the 1986-1989 Habs. Wih Robinson, Chelios, Green and Svoboda, the Habs had four guys who transitioned well and they went to the Stanley Cup finals two years out of four (winning once), and the semi-finals once.


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