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wa2k99 11-03-2008 07:29 AM

Now I'm upset at Brooks
 
I know he gets flamed on here, and I never join in. Now I'm aggravated. I understand his point that Dawes and Callahan may not be the ideal wingers for Gomez, especially with Dawes struggling. But is he actually comparing Callahan to Mike Hudson, a fourth line center who only played half a season? Way way way over the top.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11032008...mez_136540.htm

DutchShamrock 11-03-2008 08:24 AM

Wow man, you're being sensitive. If that upsets you... wow. He compares the situation to Mess centering Hudson, so what. Unless he really means that Dawes is Hudson and Callahan is Gilbert. Then you're just being silly.

People have been clamouring for what, a month now, for Gomez to center Zherdev. Brooks says it and he gets roasted here... it's just amazing to watch as an unbiased spectator. Gomez has been gold all season and as much as I was banking on Dawes this season, he is not getting it done and Gomez is being wasted. He makes a valid point.

ThisYearsModel 11-03-2008 08:34 AM

Actually, Brooks has written two excellent columns in 2 days. This one about Gomez, and the Sunday article about concussions. I have to laugh when I read about Brent Sutter whining about his kid getting concussed while skating with his head down, when his kid hunted down and hammered Cherepanov with a forearm last season. Apparently, the rules as they apply are different in Brent's mind.

GarretJoseph* 11-03-2008 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wa2k99 (Post 16145481)
I know he gets flamed on here, and I never join in. Now I'm aggravated. I understand his point that Dawes and Callahan may not be the ideal wingers for Gomez, especially with Dawes struggling. But is he actually comparing Callahan to Mike Hudson, a fourth line center who only played half a season? Way way way over the top.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11032008...mez_136540.htm

I think you read it wrong. I think its a great article.

Vitto79 11-03-2008 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GarretJoseph (Post 16145701)
I think you read it wrong. I think its a great article.

I think Gomez does need more offensive and proven wingers

I love Cally , he rocks and Dawes has some chemistry with Gomez but get some other guys on there like the start of the year

I think it's time to go with Naslund ,Dubinsky, Zherdev.............then move Drury back to the Gomez wing and for now keep Dawes

Thing is they need a 3rd line Centre.............bahhh they will figure it out or a deal will come

I imagine Prucha and Fritsche for a 3rd line C ant some point unless Korps and Anisimov improve alot in hartford and get the shot

Bleed Ranger Blue 11-03-2008 09:07 AM

The point of Brooks' article is spot-on. Dont let a couple of exxagerated comparisons make you lose site of that.

Bleed Ranger Blue 11-03-2008 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 16145741)
I think Gomez does need more offensive and proven wingers

I love Cally , he rocks and Dawes has some chemistry with Gomez but get some other guys on there like the start of the year

I think it's time to go with Naslund ,Dubinsky, Zherdev.............then move Drury back to the Gomez wing and for now keep Dawes

Thing is they need a 3rd line Centre.............bahhh they will figure it out or a deal will come

I imagine Prucha and Fritsche for a 3rd line C ant some point unless Korps and Anisimov improve alot in hartford and get the shot

No, they dont. In fact, another center is probably the last thing this team needs. Look, Chris Drury is overpaid..we all understand that...but the fact that he is overpaid shouldnt be a crutch that justifies why he has to be forced onto the top 2 lines.

Naslund-Gomez-Dawes
Voros-Dubinsky-Zherdev
Callahan-Drury-Prucha
Sjostrom-Betts-Orr

While overpaid, Drury is versatile enough to thrive on that 3rd line, especially considering the way Renney seems hellbent on "spreading the wealth" when it comes to the offense.

Shake and Bake 11-03-2008 09:17 AM

I agree with Brooks...

wouldnt mind seeing those lines above me...

Melrose_Jr. 11-03-2008 09:39 AM

Yah, agree with everyone else that all of Brooks' points are valid, although I could have done without his obligatory dig at the Shanny situation.

Not sure how Dawes is going to fit in if he can't start generating offense somehow. He's now gotten a long and uninterrupted look on the top line and has nothing to show for it, unlike Callahan.

WhipNash27 11-03-2008 09:44 AM

Gomez needs new wingers, I agree with Brooks.

Sad London Ranger 11-03-2008 09:51 AM

sorry I disagree with Melrose Jr.
shanny situation is totally relevant.

We dished out mega bucks on Naslund who is no spring chicken and not necessarily the right fit for Gomez. we could have had Shanny at a fraction of the Naslund's cost to the same effect. 20-30 goals playing wing with Gomez. On top of Shanny - gives you leadership and bit of toughness. Naslund will give you speed. But it seems we have enough speed as it is.

Gomez is too valuable a player to be playing with Dawes and Cally. By the same token I am not sure he is a bona fide 1st line Center of the franchise.

I think Brooks hits the nail on the head. The issue for the Rangers is Gomez!!!!

Bleed Ranger Blue 11-03-2008 09:52 AM

I dont mean to play devil's advocate here, but while its easy to say "Scott Gomez needs talented wingers to compliment his playmaking ability," an abundance of talented wingers is not what this team possesses. In fact, the only current member of the roster that Gomez has shown any sort of connection with is Dawes...and I dont put him under the umbrella of "talented winger" especially the way hes started the season.

I remember when the Zherdev trade was made and when Jagr walked, Gomez was quotes as saying something to the effect of "Its my job to make it work with whatever winger I play with"....well, hes putting up points, but not really gelling with anybody. Its sort of a strange situation.

allstar3970 11-03-2008 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue (Post 16145845)
The point of Brooks' article is spot-on. Dont let a couple of exxagerated comparisons make you lose site of that.

I could have written something original here, but you already nailed it.

WhipNash27 11-03-2008 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy London Ranger (Post 16146109)
sorry I disagree.

shanny situation is totally relevant.

We dished out mega bucks on Naslund who is no spring chicken and not necessarily the right fit for Gomez. we could have had Shanny at a fraction of the Naslund's cost to the same effect. 20-30 goals playing wing with Gomez. On top of Shanny - gives you leadership and bit of toughness. Naslund will give you speed. But it seems we have enough speed as it is.

Gomez is too valuable a player to be playing with Dawes and Cally. By the same token I am not sure he is a bona fide 1st line Center of the franchise

Come on now. Naslund is quicker than Shanahan, younger than Shanahan, and makes less ($4 million) than Shanahan did last year ($5.3 million). Also Naslund is tied for second most points on the team with 11. What more do you want out of him?

Fletch 11-03-2008 09:55 AM

Bleed...
 
the Rangers may not have an abundance of this kind of winger, but the question is, of those the Rangers do have, should Gomez be centering one or two of them? Renney loves spreading things out - which he hopes makes certain players better and makes it tougher for other teams to defend. Interesting logic, but in practice we don't really see this a lot and the better wingers tend to play with the better centermen. Perhaps he's still experimenting to see what he has. Hopefully we'll get out of the experimental stage soon.

Trxjw 11-03-2008 09:56 AM

I'm still not seeing the supposed chemistry between Dawes and Gomez. Prucha had more chemistry with Gomez as far as I'm concerned.

I say scratch Dawes for a few games and stick Prucha in his place. We're getting very little production out of that line as is, so I don't think it could hurt.

Sad London Ranger 11-03-2008 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PruBlue25 (Post 16146139)
Come on now. Naslund is quicker than Shanahan, younger than Shanahan, and makes less ($4 million) than Shanahan did last year ($5.3 million). Also Naslund is tied for second most points on the team with 11. What more do you want out of him?

Thats what I am saying Naslund has speed, that Shanny doesnt.
but the result is the same. Naslund will give you 25 goals (we hope) so would Shanny playing with Gomez, unless you tell me that Dawes is a better shooter of the puck than Shanny.

Shanny would have been sub 2 million IMO.....

I am not talking points - I am talking goals! we need goals to win games.

Melrose_Jr. 11-03-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy London Ranger (Post 16146109)
sorry I disagree with Melrose Jr.
shanny situation is totally relevant.

It's not. The time to weigh the pros and cons has passed. The Rangers have publicly said there's no interest, Shanahan is looking for other work, case closed.

Honestly, Dubi's the hottest center. Do you try Dawes with him to see what happens?

Bleed Ranger Blue 11-03-2008 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Melrose_Jr. (Post 16146224)
It's not. The time to weigh the pros and cons has passed. The Rangers have publicly said there's no interest, Shanahan is looking for other work, case closed.

Honestly, Dubi's the hottest center. Do you try Dawes with him to see what happens?

To be honest, I am not a big fan of either Dawes or Prucha...but its gotten to the point where it might be time to try Dawes in the press box and give Prucha his minutes.

Its one thing to not be scoring, but more often that not, Dawes is absolutely invisible out there.

Ola 11-03-2008 10:15 AM

I would really miss Brooks if he stopped covering the Rangers.

He is the only one with a opinion of his own. Its getting pretty tireing to read Sam W position himself right between what the fans thinks and what Renney is dooing all the time. Zipay can be interesting at times, but not that often...

Melrose_Jr. 11-03-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue (Post 16146257)
To be honest, I am not a big fan of either Dawes or Prucha...but its gotten to the point where it might be time to try Dawes in the press box and give Prucha his minutes.

Its one thing to not be scoring, but more often that not, Dawes is absolutely invisible out there.

The Rangers have to get production from at least one of these guys though. I agree that maybe it's time to give Prucha a long leash on a line he doesn't deserve to be on if it's in th ebest interest of the team.

In the anti-Dawes thread, there's also the suggestion that Sjostrom has earned the spot that none of these guys are able to claim. Like Voros on the 2nd line, it doesn't seem like a natural fit, but seems like it might be the next logical thing to try.

silverfish 11-03-2008 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue (Post 16145870)
No, they dont. In fact, another center is probably the last thing this team needs. Look, Chris Drury is overpaid..we all understand that...but the fact that he is overpaid shouldnt be a crutch that justifies why he has to be forced onto the top 2 lines.

Naslund-Gomez-Dawes
Voros-Dubinsky-Zherdev
Callahan-Drury-Prucha
Sjostrom-Betts-Orr

While overpaid, Drury is versatile enough to thrive on that 3rd line, especially considering the way Renney seems hellbent on "spreading the wealth" when it comes to the offense.

Switch Dawes and Callahan and I love it.

Bleed Ranger Blue 11-03-2008 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers3018 (Post 16146386)
Switch Dawes and Callahan and I love it.

Yea, that spot on the first line is interchangable. Hell, you can even try Prucha there if you want. I just think its necessary to keep Gomez/Naslund Dubinsky/Zherdev combinations together to maximize the offensive firepower near the top of the lineup. The other spots, including Voros', can and should be tinkered with to find the right combinations.

Tomas Sandstrom 28 11-03-2008 10:58 AM

Dubinsky and Zherdev have been the two guys to get the rest of the forwards going. Maybe try Dawes-Dub-Zherdev for a couple games and see what happens.

Personally, at this point I'd sit Dawes for Prucha right now.

silverfish 11-03-2008 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue (Post 16145870)
No, they dont. In fact, another center is probably the last thing this team needs. Look, Chris Drury is overpaid..we all understand that...but the fact that he is overpaid shouldnt be a crutch that justifies why he has to be forced onto the top 2 lines.

Naslund-Gomez-Dawes
Voros-Dubinsky-Zherdev
Callahan-Drury-Prucha
Sjostrom-Betts-Orr

While overpaid, Drury is versatile enough to thrive on that 3rd line, especially considering the way Renney seems hellbent on "spreading the wealth" when it comes to the offense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYRangers3018
Switch Dawes and Callahan and I love it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weinman
Either the coach took the advice to heart or he was thinking the same thing, because today he had Gomez skating with Ryan Callahan and Markus Naslund, while Chris Drury was between Petr Prucha and Nigel Dawes (the other two lines remained the same).

Called! Love it Renney :yo:


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