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JTWymanFan* 11-09-2008 10:21 AM

Hypothetically speaking of course..
 
..but would Gainey ever fire Carbs if the season were to start depleating quickly or are they to good of friends for this to happen ? Just a question here not saying it's going to happen.

GoneAway 11-09-2008 10:22 AM

I highly doubt it.

Bob comes accross as a GM who wants stability. Unless Carbo drives this team into the league basement, I see him here until at least the end of his contract

JHabs 11-09-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CabbageLegs (Post 16235637)
..but would Gainey ever fire Carbs if the season were to start depleating quickly or are they to good of friends for this to happen ? Just a question here not saying it's going to happen.

If the team takes a huge uncontrollable Nose Dive, as a GM Gainey is forced to pay close attention to the situation. Carbo is a coach, and Gainey is a GM, from a professional point of view he shouldn't have any protection from the possibility of getting fired. However I don't believe Carbo would get fired over a few losses, it would have to be an ongoing streak of losses until mid january. And even so I think Gainey would trade some players to get a high offensive player, or another top Defender before firing Carbo.

la25ecoupe 11-09-2008 10:49 AM

But Carbo really needs to be wipped by Gainey. I don't really like Carbo's job up till now. I don't get his PP lines and he can't get the message to his players.

JHabs 11-09-2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by vanylapep (Post 16235898)
But Carbo really needs to be wipped by Gainey. I don't really like Carbo's job up till now. I don't get his PP lines and he can't get the message to his players.

He has the tools to build the tool shed, he just doesn't have the screws.

Our PP is strong, but we have maybe 3 snipers on the whole team.

Kovalev, Andrei Kostitsyn, and Maybe Higgins if he tried hard enough.

The rest are all Playmakers or Wanna be Power Forwards. Pleks, Lang, Tanguay, Koivu, Sergei, I think Lapierre shoots the puck more then anyone.

So He either has to start using the Snipers more, or aim for a new player to come to the team.

As for the D well to be honest, we have 1 solid OFD Markov. He can't carry the whole D by being the only point producer, Hammerlik can sort of do it, but hes more of an all around D. So either call up Weber or make some magic happen and get another D.

Shabutie 11-09-2008 10:56 AM

Gainey coach > Gainey GM.

I don't think coaching is the issue right now...it's more the fact that no one other than a selective few players are giving 100% for 60mins.

There's also the fact that we don't have a number 4 Dman, which is really going to hurt us while Hamrlik/Komisarek/Markov are out.

AlexMeth 11-09-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by vanylapep (Post 16235898)
But Carbo really needs to be wipped by Gainey. I don't really like Carbo's job up till now. I don't get his PP lines and he can't get the message to his players.

OMGZ! we lost 2 games (one in regulation):scared: in a row! Let's fire Carbo! Let's trade everyone!

TroyM 11-09-2008 11:05 AM

I see us having a "Lindsay Ruff" situation with Carbo, I think (and hope) that he is in it for the long run, and I hope Muller and Jarvis and Rollie stick around for that long (and glorious) run.

JHabs 11-09-2008 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexMeth (Post 16235960)
OMGZ! we lost 2 games (one in regulation):scared: in a row! Let's fire Carbo! Let's trade everyone!

Duh its what we do here! you must be new.:nod:

Tim Wallach 11-09-2008 11:15 AM

I think Carbo is a good coach and anything he needs to improve on is minor. No coach is perfect. But certain things have been weaknesses of his since day 1.

First and foremost: HIS PLAYERS DON'T WORK HARD ENOUGH!

Period.

Seriously, ask yourself when the last time was that they played a full 60? Sounds cliched, but I can't recall.

JrHockeyFan 11-09-2008 11:15 AM

Hypothetically, anything could happen. Realistically I doubt it

Shabutie 11-09-2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TroyM (Post 16236048)
I see us having a "Lindsay Ruff" situation with Carbo, I think (and hope) that he is in it for the long run, and I hope Muller and Jarvis and Rollie stick around for that long (and glorious) run.

I thought it was Lindy Ruff?

JHabs 11-09-2008 11:22 AM

Pretty sure Detroit, Pittsburgh, Anaheim, and San Jose had their downfalls too. I'm sure they had games where they were dragging their feet, 2 Games yeah its hard to get over the fact that we lost 2 in a row, 1 in regulation, but you cannot pin 2 games on an entire season. We arn't even at the halfway mark yet, and we all know they haven't even Sparked their Full Potential. Honestly I don't think Detroit or San Jose has either. Patience, and maybe Another Top Pairing Defender, or Top 4 Defender, and we will do fine.

la25ecoupe 11-09-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexMeth (Post 16235960)
OMGZ! we lost 2 games (one in regulation):scared: in a row! Let's fire Carbo! Let's trade everyone!

I never said FIRED, i said WHIPPED!
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI...33R-938221.jpg

How many times have you heard him saying: "We need to give more effort". "We need to play more disciplined". And nothings changes? I don't care about the 2 loses. We might be heading for 8 straight loses if we continue this way.

superstar436 11-09-2008 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TroyM (Post 16236048)
I see us having a "Lindsay Ruff" situation with Carbo, I think (and hope) that he is in it for the long run, and I hope Muller and Jarvis and Rollie stick around for that long (and glorious) run.

not jarvis

you need a dman coach in there. The defence has not really improved as a whole in the last 2 years.

shealy04 11-09-2008 11:58 AM

We lose our second game in regulation (albeit against the Leafs) and a "hypothetical" thread about firing Carbo appears.

Wow.

THE HOFF 11-09-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CabbageLegs (Post 16235637)
..but would Gainey ever fire Carbs if the season were to start depleating quickly or are they to good of friends for this to happen ? Just a question here not saying it's going to happen.

it has the same chance of happenning than E.T. comming back on earth with a habs jersey, scoring a hat trick for the habs...

Gainey and Carbo are partners ... as long as Gainey will be GM , carbo is going to be the coach, mark my words...

JHabs 11-09-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kovalev the Great (Post 16236684)
it has the same chance of happenning than E.T. comming back on earth with a habs jersey, scoring a hat trick for the habs...

Gainey and Carbo are partners ... as long as Gainey will be GM , carbo is going to be the coach, mark my words...

Well there goes my Hope of getting the High Octane Point Producer we needed.

JGRB 11-09-2008 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yarfangor (Post 16235949)
He has the tools to build the tool shed, he just doesn't have the screws.

Our PP is strong, but we have maybe 3 snipers on the whole team.

Kovalev, Andrei Kostitsyn, and Maybe Higgins if he tried hard enough.

The rest are all Playmakers or Wanna be Power Forwards. Pleks, Lang, Tanguay, Koivu, Sergei, I think Lapierre shoots the puck more then anyone.

So He either has to start using the Snipers more, or aim for a new player to come to the team.

As for the D well to be honest, we have 1 solid OFD Markov. He can't carry the whole D by being the only point producer, Hammerlik can sort of do it, but hes more of an all around D. So either call up Weber or make some magic happen and get another D.

I still don't understand why the Plekanec/Kovalev duo doesn't get the first PP shift.. To me thats the most important one, and I don't care what anyone says... Our PP is garbage without Kovalev.

HamrlikTheStud* 11-09-2008 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GoHabsGo247 (Post 16237062)
I still don't understand why the Plekanec/Kovalev duo doesn't get the first PP shift.. To me thats the most important one, and I don't care what anyone says... Our PP is garbage without Kovalev.

We're not 11th in the league, we jumped up 8 ranks in the last two games. Power play is going well, this was just a matter of time before things would go better.

As for the OT, this is way too early to even speculate about firing a Jack Adams trophy candidate...

Although, I wish he would make clever changes when things are not going well in a game...

I don't know, but the first change to do in the lineup right now, and it's pretty obvious, is to put both Kostitsyns together... Not to try to form a line with Laraque, Koivu and Sergei Kostitsyn...

This is one thing I don't like about Carbonneau. When he gets emotional, he totally loses it... and sometimes the changes he makes are embarassing...

Remember the Streit - Koivu - Johnson unit a couple of years ago? :biglaugh:

WeThreeKings 11-09-2008 01:02 PM

He should go back to basics, put players in their actual positions, right wing positions. Try to get his team to get their gap control in tact.

Right now we have two defencemen back and all our forwards at the opposing blueline. Yes, we're talented enough to pull of those long bombs. No, they aren't effective enough, short quick passes, using our speed to force the other teams defenders to pivot and puck chase should be our game. We're not doing this.

HamrlikTheStud* 11-09-2008 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeThreeKings (Post 16237249)
He should go back to basics, put players in their actual positions, right wing positions. Try to get his team to get their gap control in tact.

Right now we have two defencemen back and all our forwards at the opposing blueline. Yes, we're talented enough to pull of those long bombs. No, they aren't effective enough, short quick passes, using our speed to force the other teams defenders to pivot and puck chase should be our game. We're not doing this.

Honestly, the AK46 case is becoming more and more obvious each game... I can't conceive that Carbonneau hasn't noticed it yet... I just can't... it's too obvious now.

Each and each one of his goals are direct proofs.

xeric716x 11-09-2008 01:06 PM

panic much?

TroyM 11-09-2008 01:10 PM

Shabutie - Bah, of course it is Lindy, my hate for Buffalo must have caused me to give him a woman's name.

Habs4Life 11-09-2008 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarfangor (Post 16235949)
He has the tools to build the tool shed, he just doesn't have the screws.

Our PP is strong, but we have maybe 3 snipers on the whole team.

Kovalev, Andrei Kostitsyn, and Maybe Higgins if he tried hard enough.

The rest are all Playmakers or Wanna be Power Forwards. Pleks, Lang, Tanguay, Koivu, Sergei, I think Lapierre shoots the puck more then anyone.

So He either has to start using the Snipers more, or aim for a new player to come to the team.

As for the D well to be honest, we have 1 solid OFD Markov. He can't carry the whole D by being the only point producer, Hammerlik can sort of do it, but hes more of an all around D. So either call up Weber or make some magic happen and get another D.

Our PP has been horrible this year. Have you been watching hockey at all?


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