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Luongo4VP 11-19-2008 07:48 PM

Best Offensive blueline in the league
 
Currently, which team do you think has the best offensively oriented blueline? I have to go with the ducks, the way Pronger,Niedermayer and Beauchemin have been playing.

excape 11-19-2008 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Luongo4VP (Post 16409344)
Currently, which team do you think has the best offensively oriented blueline? I have to go with the ducks, the way Pronger,Niedermayer and Beauchemin have been playing.

I would say it was between Detroit, Anaheim and San Jose (surprisingly). But Beauchemin's out for the season, I'll wait a bit longer on San Jose. So I say Detroit: Kronwall, Rafalski, Lidstrom.

Rayne* 11-19-2008 07:53 PM

Edmonton's probably a darkhorse pick (Visnovsky, Souray, Gilbert).

bigwillie 11-19-2008 07:53 PM

The team who has 4 players in the top 20 point scorers among defenseman, which includes 3 in the top 15 and 2 in the top 3.

Thresher 11-19-2008 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bigwillie (Post 16409438)
The team who has 4 players in the top 20 point scorers among defenseman, which includes 3 in the top 15 and 2 in the top 3.


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AK 11-19-2008 08:34 PM

When the Pens are healthy, they're up there.

Gonchar is top three, Whitney top 15 if healthy, Goligoski, Letang, Boucher even.

But Edmonton and SJ are the best.

LeftWinger44 11-19-2008 11:30 PM

Vancouver has a great core with Ohlund, Salo, Edler, and Bieksa (33 points between the four of them). San Jose's squad is the best, especially with the Boyle/Ehrhoff tandem. I think Edmonton's Defence is probably top 3 with Souray, Visnovsky, Gilbert and Grebeshkov who have 41 points between the four of them.

Harrison Ford 11-19-2008 11:31 PM

San Jose FTW!

metalan2 11-19-2008 11:38 PM

Pittsburgh -

Letang, goligoski, Boucher, Gonchar, Whitney - when healthy..

bigwillie 11-19-2008 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thresher (Post 16409681)
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Okay, so as of yesterday, M.E. Vlasic dropped to 21st. Still, damn impressive.

LAX attack* 11-19-2008 11:41 PM

I find the Anaheim blueline, especially with Chris Pronger, very offensive

hoax15 11-20-2008 12:31 AM

Jay Bouwmeester
Bryan McCabe
Keith Ballard

Not at all the best but pretty damn good.

ArGarBarGar 11-20-2008 12:34 AM

Lidstrom and Rafalski have a shot. Raffi seems like all he can do is play offensively and Lidstrom....is Lidstrom.

I think Pittsburgh's defense is underrated and San Jose has a real force.

tony d 11-20-2008 09:00 AM

San Jose, some strange not to see Lidstrom in the top 5.

dubey 11-20-2008 09:10 AM

This thread has just become a "my team has a good offensive blueline too!!!!!11" thread

barrytrotzsneck 11-20-2008 09:19 AM

Rather than boasting and giving "on paper" responses, I just looked at the numbers, based on points by defensemen.

The answer is basically:

San Jose- 60
Detroit - 48
Nashville- 45
Edmonton- 43

and then.....everyone else dropping off.

barrytrotzsneck 11-20-2008 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dubey (Post 16416992)
This thread has just become a "my team has a good offensive blueline too!!!!!11" thread

and that surprises you? that's the nature of this board. someone starts a thread, and "player x from my team deserves a mention" ensues.

There's a lot of great coverage of this phenomenon in that old unwritten rules of HF thread.

silkyjohnson50 11-20-2008 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tony d (Post 16416906)
San Jose, some strange not to see Lidstrom in the top 5.

Just give it some time...

LAX attack* 11-20-2008 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrytrotzsneck (Post 16417048)
Rather than boasting and giving "on paper" responses, I just looked at the numbers, based on points by defensemen.

The answer is basically:

San Jose- 60
Detroit - 48
Nashville- 45
Edmonton- 43

and then.....everyone else dropping off.

Is there a way to see just points by defenseman?

If so, than I think the "best" offensive blueline would be that which generates the greatest percentage of the teams' goals right?

8BostonRocker24 11-20-2008 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dubey (Post 16416992)
This thread has just become a "my team has a good offensive blueline too!!!!!11" thread

Boston's is one of the worst in the NHL. They just don't produce points like other teams.

Outside of Chara, Wideman and (the currently injured) Ference if a Boston blueliner scores it shocking.

zeke 11-21-2008 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by barrytrotzsneck (Post 16417048)
Rather than boasting and giving "on paper" responses, I just looked at the numbers, based on points by defensemen.

The answer is basically:

San Jose- 60
Detroit - 48
Nashville- 45
Edmonton- 43

and then.....everyone else dropping off.

You're missing a team.

The Maple Leafs' blueline has 51 points this year, although that includes Ian White's 7 points, and he's been playing a lot of forward this year.

Given the difference between the overall team scoring between San Jose, Detroit, and Toronto and their forward groups in general, there's a good argument to be made that Toronto's offense from their blueline has been the most impressive this year.

RedLeader 11-21-2008 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LAX attack (Post 16426043)
Is there a way to see just points by defenseman?

If so, than I think the "best" offensive blueline would be that which generates the greatest percentage of the teams' goals right?

No.. That would only mean that the team doesn't score alot of goals. He might be more important to the team in %, but you can't say hes better.

I hate those types of reasoning, especially as some people use it for the Hart. In their view only a great player on a lousy team can win the heart.
For example if you look at things numericly let say a team has a number(based on the players in that) that reflects their value. 1000 for the top team and 650 for a avg team, Player A has value 60 and Player b has value 50. Player A will bring more to the team than player B, but his % will be less. But that is basicly an abritrary info.

Teemu 11-21-2008 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrytrotzsneck (Post 16417048)
Rather than boasting and giving "on paper" responses, I just looked at the numbers, based on points by defensemen.

The answer is basically:

San Jose- 60
Detroit - 48
Nashville- 45
Edmonton- 43

and then.....everyone else dropping off.

Hawks have 49 points (not counting Byfuglien).

EDIT: The Hawks numbers are from a day later than the others

Stealth JD 11-21-2008 10:48 AM

By far the NHL's worst: STL

106 man-games played, through 16 games of the season. The ENTIRE Blues defense has put up 5 goals and 8 assists for a whopping 13 points. <insert barfing smiley here>

Birko19 11-21-2008 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tony d (Post 16416906)
San Jose, some strange not to see Lidstrom in the top 5.

He's only 4 points behind the top leader and it's not 20 games yet, he just picked up 2 assists last night and I think he's getting his game back on, he does have a reputation for being a slow starter.


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