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WestIslander 11-23-2008 01:36 PM

The BIG problem in my opinion!
 
Guys (and girls)

The BIG problem in my opinion with the Habs is scoring this season and for the following reasons:

1) Little to no PP goals this season.
2) Kovalev not playing like he was last season.
3) Lack of consistency from key players like Kostitsyn, Kovalev and Higgins.

Now, we have seen the same story for the past few weeks where we are down by a goal, tie it up in the last few minutes and go to overtime or a shootout to either win or lose.

Price is playing good hockey in my opinion, a goalie that averages less than 2.50 (which he is) is considered in the upper 10 usually, now if we can get something clicking and put together those 4 to 5 goal games like last season then we can be winning these games! There is NO reason why a team like the Habs shouldn't be scoring at least 4 goals on a "lucky" goalie like Tim Thomas and Alex Auld.

Anyways, that is my opinion, and hopefully they pick it up! Especially on the PP and the only way to do that is to get Kovalev going because if Kovalev isn't going the PP isn't going and the Habs lack luster at the end of the day.

The n00b King * 11-23-2008 01:39 PM

Yeah, the PP has been blowing hard.

le_sean 11-23-2008 01:43 PM

Those would be problemS.

Year 101 11-23-2008 01:44 PM

Well the thing with Montreal is we can never find a happy medium. Last year we could only score on the PP and were frustrated with our 5 on 5 play now are 5 on 5 play is striving and our PP is sucking.

la25ecoupe 11-23-2008 02:00 PM

THE solution: AK46 on the point.

overlords 11-23-2008 02:06 PM

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Habs10Habs 11-23-2008 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vanylapep (Post 16469178)
THE solution: AK46 on the point.

That would be a nice start. Plus I would like to see the PP get back to the basics. The PP looks good until you see that they are barely getting any quality shots on goal. They should stop trying for that "perfect play".

Fire Brunet* 11-23-2008 02:07 PM

http://healthhabits.files.wordpress....ainobvious.jpg

Fire Brunet* 11-23-2008 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by overlords (Post 16469253)

LOL :laugh:

We were thinking the same thing :laugh::laugh:

Sports1131 11-23-2008 02:58 PM

1 is largely the result of 2...

OneSharpMarble 11-23-2008 03:03 PM

Like it was the last two seasons this team lives or dies with Kovalev. When he is on he scores and is a constant threat and creates space for his wingers. When he is off he hogs the puck, has massive amounts of giveaways and has a non existant work ethic that seems to suck the life out of the team.

When Kovalev is gone this team will begin playing like they should, no more relying on one person.

Lucius 11-23-2008 03:06 PM

I think the solution in Hab land is to finally give up some of this absurd prospect depth in a trade for a legit #4, puck moving, point shot defenseman.

Brisebois is best suited as a #7 who pitches in when needed, not a regular player. O'Byrne would be well served to be insulted as a purely #6 guy.

Thus, the five slot would belong to Bouillon or Gorges. The other moved as part of the cap offset to bring in an offensively minded guy who can play on the second pairing with Hammer.

My targets would be Joe Corvo (although not him, since I doubt he wants to go back to Canada), Tom Preissing or perhaps, Cam Barker.

Habnot 11-23-2008 03:08 PM

I guess Pleks gets a free ride? Talk about a player that has been invisible this year.

Next Best Thing* 11-23-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucius (Post 16470078)
I think the solution in Hab land is to finally give up some of this absurd prospect depth in a trade for a legit #4, puck moving, point shot defenseman.

Brisebois is best suited as a #7 who pitches in when needed, not a regular player. O'Byrne would be well served to be insulted as a purely #6 guy.

Thus, the five slot would belong to Bouillon or Gorges. The other moved as part of the cap offset to bring in an offensively minded guy who can play on the second pairing with Hammer.

I'm only for that as a deadline deal going into the palyoffs. If we let O'Byrne play regularly he should only get better.

Plekanetzz 11-23-2008 03:24 PM

THE problem is the pointmen on the PP.

THE HOFF 11-23-2008 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucius (Post 16470078)
I think the solution in Hab land is to finally give up some of this absurd prospect depth in a trade for a legit #4, puck moving, point shot defenseman.
Brisebois is best suited as a #7 who pitches in when needed, not a regular player. O'Byrne would be well served to be insulted as a purely #6 guy.

Thus, the five slot would belong to Bouillon or Gorges. The other moved as part of the cap offset to bring in an offensively minded guy who can play on the second pairing with Hammer.

My targets would be Joe Corvo (although not him, since I doubt he wants to go back to Canada), Tom Preissing or perhaps, Cam Barker.

alelouia

Habs10Habs 11-23-2008 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Best Thing (Post 16470114)
I'm only for that as a deadline deal going into the palyoffs. If we let O'Byrne play regularly he should only get better.

True practice does eventually make perfect *crosses fingers*. But can we continue waiting for him to eventually find his game at the NHL level, without it continuing to backfire?

We saw problems with our defense before Komi's injury. Now that Komi's out for awhile, our defense has been fully exposed and quite frankly scares the crap out of me.

WeezyHabFan 11-23-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Komisarek (Post 16469269)

took the words out of my mouth, and made it into a picture.

Qui Gon Dave 11-23-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by overlords (Post 16469253)

Great picture, but I have to say, I always preferred this one:

http://www.esreality.com/files/place...inobvious1.jpg

Habs4Life 11-23-2008 05:22 PM

http://www.geocities.com/mpetrie98/M...TheObvious.jpg

Brisk-Illusion 11-23-2008 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plekanetzz (Post 16470298)
THE problem is the pointmen on the PP.

ding ding ding

The PP has been the key to our success in the last few years, and the key to that has been the pointman playing with Markov. Giving defenses two threats to worry about instead of one is what made our PP the best in the league. Without a strong pointman, defenses only have to cover Markov, and our PP goes nowhere.

07-08 Mark Streit 81GP 13G 49A 62P
06-07 Sheldon Souray 81GP 26G 38P 64P

When Streit went AWOL during the playoffs last season, so did the PP. We haven't replaced his presence, and like I said before, we ethier have to find someone who can take his spot, or change our entire game plan to find a way to rely less on the PP.

JHabs 11-23-2008 06:14 PM

It used to be just Defense. Now its consistent Point Producing. Koivu, Tanguay, (insert linemate here) cannot do it by themselves each game. Markov just started to pick it up again last game but common, 3 offensive lines and nothing to show for it. Also our Defense is seriously lacking even with Komi in the lineup. So I think we have some new holes to address.

goalchenyuk 11-23-2008 07:12 PM

the big problem in my opinion is that the PP needs more drive ...

http://hfboards.com/picture.php?albu...pictureid=1440

Kriss E 11-23-2008 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brisk-Illusion (Post 16472732)
ding ding ding

The PP has been the key to our success in the last few years, and the key to that has been the pointman playing with Markov. Giving defenses two threats to worry about instead of one is what made our PP the best in the league. Without a strong pointman, defenses only have to cover Markov, and our PP goes nowhere.

07-08 Mark Streit 81GP 13G 49A 62P
06-07 Sheldon Souray 81GP 26G 38P 64P

When Streit went AWOL during the playoffs last season, so did the PP. We haven't replaced his presence, and like I said before, we ethier have to find someone who can take his spot, or change our entire game plan to find a way to rely less on the PP.

Actually, when we had Souray, people hugely underestimated Markov and thought Shelly was the man making it work.

Last Streit in the POs, Streit wasn't the only one that went AWOL, Kovalev got some big coverage as well, Markov wasn't playing that great, A.Kost and Pleks disappeared a bit..
We had a lot of problems, but Streit was not the key of our PP.

The problem with our PP is that we lost 1 guy that was on it last year, but for some reason, Carbo decided to completely change the roles of everybody on it on top of moving players around.

So even if we only lost 1 guy, it looks like we have completely different PP units.

I think Carbs screwed early with that big time. Starting with Kovy on the left side and Markov on right point with Tangs on left was a big mistake. Had we just put A.Kost instead of Streit's place I'm sure we would have a better PP % today.

ECWHSWI 11-23-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kriss E (Post 16473775)
Actually, when we had Souray, people hugely underestimated Markov and thought Shelly was the man making it work.

Last Streit in the POs, Streit wasn't the only one that went AWOL, Kovalev got some big coverage as well, Markov wasn't playing that great, A.Kost and Pleks disappeared a bit..
We had a lot of problems, but Streit was not the key of our PP.

The problem with our PP is that we lost 1 guy that was on it last year, but for some reason, Carbo decided to completely change the roles of everybody on it on top of moving players around.

So even if we only lost 1 guy, it looks like we have completely different PP units.

I think Carbs screwed early with that big time. Starting with Kovy on the left side and Markov on right point with Tangs on left was a big mistake. Had we just put A.Kost instead of Streit's place I'm sure we would have a better PP % today.

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