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Lucius 11-26-2008 01:26 AM

Worst Montreal Canadien of Recent History (Round 1)
 
In honor of a recent thread with the best 100 Canadiens of all time, I am opening a poll to figure out the worst Montreal Canadien of recent history.

I did far more research than I would like to admit. So here is my criteria:

-Must have played between 1984-85 and today (IE: Koivu & Roy's current career span combined)
-Only Montreal stats, regular season, count.
-Must have played 20 or more games for Montreal.

Now, like the prospect polls, I will nominate 15 guys, but post more players here. In each poll "other" is an option. If other wins, then I will figure out who the heck was gathering those votes and redo that round with them in it.

I will post the list of nominees I came up with in full, including career Habs stats, in the subject thread.

My nominations are based on actual statistical badness, my own memory and in some cases, popular demand. The actual nominees will be at my discretion to start.

Poll closes in two days.

Here is the list:

Pierre Sevigny (F)
GP 75, 4g, 5a, 9p, 64pim

Randy Mckay (F)
GP 75, 6g, 13a, 19p, 72pim

Sergei Samsonov (F)
GP 63, 9g, 17a, 26p, 10pim

Juha Lind (F)
GP 60, 4g, 6a, 10p, 8pim

Mariusz Czerkawski (F)
GP 43, 5g, 9a, 14p, 16pim

Jonas Hoglund (F)
GP 102, 14g, 15a, 29p, 22pim

Matt Higgins (F)
GP 57, 1g, 2a, 3p, 6pim

Andre Bashkirov (F)
GP 30, 0g, 3a, 3p, 0pim

Johan Witehall (F)
GP 26, 1g, 1a, 2p, 6pim

Garth Murray (F)
GP 80, 7g, 2a, 9p, 76pim

Niklas Sundstrom (F)
GP 154, 19g, 30a, 49p


Pierre Dagenais (F)
GP 82, 23g, 17a, 39p, 40pim

Jason Ward (F)
GP 105, 10g, 10a, 20p, 43pim

Donald Audette (F)
GP 90, 15g, 22a, 37p, 43pim

Sergei Berezin (F)
29, 3g, 6a, 10p, 4pim

Trent McCleary (F)
GP 58, 1g, 0a, 1p, 33pim

Jason Dawe (F)
GP 37, 4g, 5a, 9p, 14pim

Sebastien Bordeleau (F)
GP 85, 8g, 17a, 25p, 38pim

Mick Vukota (F)
GP 22, 0g, 0a, 0p, 76pim

Marko Kiprusoff (D)
GP 24, 0g, 4a, 8p, 8pim

Bryan Fogarty (D)
GP 34, 6g, 4a, 10p, 44pim

Patrick Traverse (D)
GP 109, 4g, 19a, 23p, 48pim

Christian Laflamme (D)
GP 54, 0g, 5a, 5p, 50pim

Brett Clark (D)
GP 102, 3g, 2a, 5p, 36pim

Ryan O'Byrne (D)
GP 50, 1g, 9a, 10p, 61pim

Janne Niinimaa (D)
GP 41, 0g, 3a, 3p, 36pim

Ron Hainsey (D)
GP 32, 1g, 1a, 2p, 4pim

Miloslav Guren (D)
GP 36, 1g, 3a, 4p, 16pim

Barry Richter (D)
GP 25, 0g, 2a, 2p, 10pim

Igor Ulanov (D)
GP 123, 4g, 15a, 19p, 197pim

Zarley Zalapski (D)
GP 28, 1g, 5a, 6p, 22pim

Scott Lachance (D)
GP 74, 1g, 7a, 8p, 33pim


Andre Racicot (G)
GP 68, S% .880, 26-23-8

Steve Penney (G)
GP 76, S% .865, 32-30-10

David Aebischer (G)
GP 39, S% .898, 17-15-3


A note here, statistically at least, some of these guys are not quite as bad as we seem to remember. Dagenais, Aebischer, Traverse, Samsonov, etc. Now that's just statistically. So yeah... but still.

le_sean 11-26-2008 02:00 AM

I would vote for Samsonov considering the hype he had coming over in the offseason. Certainly not the worst player of the bunch, but in relation to how good he was before he came to Montreal, he was awful.

I would take O'Byrne and Hainsey out because of their age, it is unfair to both. I also think Sundstrom was a good 3rd liner. Garth Murray was a good 4th liner.

snakeye 11-26-2008 02:02 AM

Matt Higgins.

Metropolitsky 11-26-2008 02:16 AM

Sundstrom played more than 99 games...im pretty sure of that

Edit: 154gp 19g 30a 49p

he wasn't that bad

Metropolitsky 11-26-2008 02:19 AM

I vote for Sylvain Blouin

guest1467 11-26-2008 02:51 AM

Where is Popovich? That guy was absolutely brutal.

Danadiens 11-26-2008 03:54 AM

I still have nightmares of Traverse

TheWhiteTiger 11-26-2008 04:02 AM

I voted for Samsonov but Niinimaa is a close second.

rocketlives 11-26-2008 04:49 AM

I voted for Christian Laflamme who was brutal. The only dman who was worse than him, in my opinion, was Robert Dirk who however played only 3 games in a Habs uniform. We had obtained him in a trade with Anaheim for Jim Campbell who himself wasn't a very good player either.

ReVeuF 11-26-2008 05:20 AM

How about Doug Wickeneiser (sp) ?

Edit : sorry i voted Others and posted before reading the original post explaining "Recent history", this one is not so recent.

One Man Rock Band 11-26-2008 05:49 AM

I think Sundstrom is a very bad choice to be put in this. He was never expected to be an offensive threat when he came here. His expectations as being an offensive phenom were pretty much done after he never produced offensively. But the guy was an awesome 3rd line defensive forward, who could chip in when needed. He played a very good all around game.

Also, Dagenais was on pace for for a 27-goal season during one year here (17 goals in 50 games).. so he was no-where near the worst.

O'Byrne and Hainsey were prospects with 50 or less games.. I see no reason to add them.

Donald Audette was awesome until the freak injury. He, like Zednik, were pretty done offensively after that. Auddy had one hell of a playoffs for us in his first year (10 pts in 12 gp).

One Man Rock Band 11-26-2008 05:53 AM

Oh, I went with Czerkawski because I was most excited about him coming when we acquired him.

Kimota 11-26-2008 06:17 AM

Gerald Diduck. Seriously it was the first Hab player to be booed out of Montreal. I'm not talking about one game like Patrick. He was the type of player that was so embarassing to watch play that they had to trade him because he was eaten alive by Habs fans.

Lucius 11-26-2008 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natey2k4 (Post 16509763)
I think Sundstrom is a very bad choice to be put in this. He was never expected to be an offensive threat when he came here. His expectations as being an offensive phenom were pretty much done after he never produced offensively. But the guy was an awesome 3rd line defensive forward, who could chip in when needed. He played a very good all around game.

Also, Dagenais was on pace for for a 27-goal season during one year here (17 goals in 50 games).. so he was no-where near the worst.

O'Byrne and Hainsey were prospects with 50 or less games.. I see no reason to add them.

Donald Audette was awesome until the freak injury. He, like Zednik, were pretty done offensively after that. Auddy had one hell of a playoffs for us in his first year (10 pts in 12 gp).

Agreed on all points. Certain players were added mostly so that no one complained :)

Booba 11-26-2008 07:25 AM

Aaron Downey was pretty useless. Worse than Garth Murray for sure


But the worse of the worse was Sergei Samsonov :cry:

Habs10Habs 11-26-2008 07:29 AM

lol...thanks OP, that list brought back a lot of bad memories. Some tough choices, but I think I yelled at Traverse the most...so he gets my vote.

toshiro 11-26-2008 07:30 AM

Jaha Lind
 
Jaha Lind
I really liked Scott Thorton. He had major acceleration along the wall. If the Habs had a player like that with a Mike McPhee a whole new dimension would be there

Pascal 11-26-2008 07:46 AM

Surprised Murray Baron isn't on the list.. in terms of sheer frustration that guy was on the top. He was like Brisebois but with more errors in his zone..

Habs 4 Life 11-26-2008 07:47 AM

Very easy,Traverse

Ohashi_Jouzu 11-26-2008 07:50 AM

Flip-flopping between Higgins and McCleary by virtue of sheer uselessness, rather than perhaps level of terrible. Especially Higgins given he was a 1st rounder...

Whitesnake 11-26-2008 07:55 AM

How can Matt Higgins be any better than all those guys? As much Traverse and others sucked, at least they were good enough to be bad in the NHL....Higgins wasn't even good enough to be in the NHL.....Add to that the little hype about being a 1st rounder and you have the perfect recipe for being the worst....

Chris Nilan 11-26-2008 08:00 AM

I voted other.
I also stuck with draft choices (no trades or free agents).
Choose from among

Marcel Hossa
Eric Chouinard
David Wilkie
Terry Ryan
Jason Ward

It was tough not to vote for Matt Higgins, but the winner is

Eric freaking :handclap:Chouinard:handclap:.

SpreeEndaz 11-26-2008 08:04 AM

Matt Higgins. He was picked at a time that could have turned the franchise around but instead, it just have stretched the dark era for an extra couple of years.

Habs10Habs 11-26-2008 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 16510222)
How can Matt Higgins be any better than all those guys? As much Traverse and others sucked, at least they were good enough to be bad in the NHL....Higgins wasn't even good enough to be in the NHL.....Add to that the little hype about being a 1st rounder and you have the perfect recipe for being the worst....

Well if that's the case you can go back one more year and add Terry Ryan to the list. As he was not only a 1rd pick, but a top 10 pick as well.

Higgins atleast played 57 games. Ryan picked 10 spots earlier the year before played a whopping 8 games in the NHL.

Guys like Higgins or Ryan were not given top 6 ice time. Not that it probably would have made a difference. But Traverse was given top 4 minutes as a Hab. Not his fault, but considering the opportunities he received from the Habs, and the limited results. That's why I went with him over M. Higgins.

Whitesnake 11-26-2008 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habs10Habs (Post 16510351)
Well if that's the case you can go back one more year and add Terry Ryan to the list. As he was not only a 1rd pick, but a top 10 pick as well.

Higgins atleast played 57 games. Ryan picked 10 spots earlier the year before played a whopping 8 games in the NHL.

Guys like Higgins or Ryan were not given top 6 ice time. Not that it probably would have made a difference. But Traverse was given top 4 minutes as a Hab. Not his fault, but considering the opportunities he received from the Habs, and the limited results. That's why I went with him over M. Higgins.

I definately would have but stick with the list we were given.


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