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fromage67 11-26-2008 09:32 AM

Innovative Stats from LaPresse
 
LaPresse just published some very innovative and interesting stats to look back at the 1st quarter of the season.

http://pdf.cyberpresse.ca/lapresse/Stats1.jpg

http://pdf.cyberpresse.ca/lapresse/Stats2.jpg

Lots of stuff in here, but some highlights:

Josh Gorges has been very effective. Koivu and Tanguay have been our best players. Komisarek and Plekanec, not so much.

Twister mtl 11-26-2008 09:38 AM

Where did they get the Chipchura stats? Hamilton.....what's the point?


but overall cool stats

Pierre Dagenais 11-26-2008 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twister mtl (Post 16511055)
Where did they get the Chipchura stats? Hamilton.....what's the point?


but overall cool stats

Chipchura played 1 game.

fromage67 11-26-2008 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twister mtl (Post 16511055)
Where did they get the Chipchura stats? Hamilton.....what's the point?

Chipchura played one game at the beginning of the year.

BadKiwi 11-26-2008 09:43 AM

It makes Chipchura look like an offense oriented player. But overall they are pretty cool stats.

Pascal 11-26-2008 09:43 AM

ouch at Komi being almost last on GAA and lol @ Breezer being almost first.. :wow:

fromage67 11-26-2008 09:44 AM

Oh yeah, and everybody's favorite whipping boy (including mine), Brisebois, has been good.

Pascal 11-26-2008 09:46 AM

Komi has been horrible, these stats confirm it..

kostitsyn1489 11-26-2008 09:47 AM

Lapierre and Bégin allows 14 goals per 60 minutes of PK. That's awful.

Another cool thing is media blames Kostitsyn for Kovalev's problem. At Even strenght he's +1.39 per 60 minutes of ice time while both plekanec and Kovalev are in the minus. Blame the guy that wants to go back in his own country despite having no proof!!!

akratique 11-26-2008 09:56 AM

It also confirms that Laraque has played some pretty bad hockey (injury or suckiness?), and that Kovalev and Plekanec are not performing to expectations. It also confirms that whipping boy Latendresse does not deserve the negative attention he's been getting.

Roulin 11-26-2008 10:22 AM

I hope La Presse credited Gabriel Desjardins at http://www.behindthenet.ca.

hototogisu 11-26-2008 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pascal (Post 16511106)
ouch at Komi being almost last on GAA and lol @ Breezer being almost first.. :wow:

When you're on the ice as much as Komisarek usually is (ES and PK), you're going to be on the ice for a lot of goals against.

Freaky Habs Fan 11-26-2008 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 16511555)
When you're on the ice as much as Komisarek usually is (ES and PK), you're going to be on the ice for a lot of goals against.

But not that much...he's not having a great season, plain and simple...

Ozymandias 11-26-2008 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pascal (Post 16511142)
Komi has been horrible, these stats confirm it..

Yeah, but he'll still get 6 mil per season on his next contract :sarcasm:

Ozymandias 11-26-2008 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akratique (Post 16511242)
It also confirms that Laraque has played some pretty bad hockey (injury or suckiness?), and that Kovalev and Plekanec are not performing to expectations. It also confirms that whipping boy Latendresse does not deserve the negative attention he's been getting.

latendresse is fat and slow!




post #15 rule

Kriss E 11-26-2008 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pascal (Post 16511142)
Komi has been horrible, these stats confirm it..

They would also confirm that Breezer has been our best D.

So, I wouldn't pay too much attention to those stats.

1986Habs 11-26-2008 10:42 AM

If anyone is interested in the same kind of stats, but for combinations of players (forward lines, defensive pairs), I have a site where I keep track of this info:


See the links under the heading "Complete 2008-09 season information."

(I know I've provided the link before on this forum, but I figured it might interest a few people who haven't seen it in the past.)

Macs 11-26-2008 10:44 AM

According to those stats, Josh 'Norris'' Gorges should have more PP time.

Roulin 11-26-2008 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 16511555)
When you're on the ice as much as Komisarek usually is (ES and PK), you're going to be on the ice for a lot of goals against.

IMO, special teams stats should always be separated from 5 on 5. Komisarek leads the team in PK time per game, it skews La Presse's version of his GA/60 quite a lot.

Roulin 11-26-2008 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1986Habs (Post 16511732)
If anyone is interested in the same kind of stats, but for combinations of players (forward lines, defensive pairs), I have a site where I keep track of this info:


See the links under the heading "Complete 2008-09 season information."

(I know I've provided the link before on this forum, but I figured it might interest a few people who haven't seen it in the past.)

Great site! :handclap:

onice 11-26-2008 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akratique (Post 16511242)
It also confirms that Laraque has played some pretty bad hockey (injury or suckiness?), and that Kovalev and Plekanec are not performing to expectations. It also confirms that whipping boy Latendresse does not deserve the negative attention he's been getting.

You guys should really learn how to read stats. Lats has played most of the year with Koivu & Tanguay so his record should be about the same as theirs. But it'snot. It's a lot worse. Why is that?

One reason is that when he didn't play on their line, he had no one to cover up his ineffective play.

Another is that he didn't have Koivu & Tanguay's stats to boost up his own.

So what do you get? Lats' stats well below his linemates' stats.

Roulin 11-26-2008 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macs (Post 16511764)
According to those stats, Josh 'Norris'' Gorges should have more PP time.

Another thing La Presse should note: sample size matters. Gorges' 16 seconds of PP per game might as well be disgarded, we're not going to get anything meaningful from that.

hototogisu 11-26-2008 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roulin (Post 16511817)
IMO, special teams stats should always be separated from 5 on 5. Komisarek leads the team in PK time per game, it skews La Presse's version of his GA/60 quite a lot.

Exactly. Looking at it the way La Presse laid it out, you'd expect Komisarek to be a -40 every season.

x-bob 11-26-2008 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pascal (Post 16511106)
ouch at Komi being almost last on GAA and lol @ Breezer being almost first.. :wow:

Which ust shows that these stats mean *****

Roulin 11-26-2008 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onice (Post 16511854)
You guys should really learn how to read stats. Lats has played most of the year with Koivu & Tanguay so his record should be about the same as theirs. But it'snot. It's a lot worse. Why is that?

One reason is that when he didn't play on their line, he had no one to cover up his ineffective play.

Another is that he didn't have Koivu & Tanguay's stats to boost up his own.

So what do you get? Lats' stats well below his linemates' stats.

Using 1986Habs' site, Koivu and Tanguay score more playing with Lats than with Higgins: http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/gf.html. Obviously Koivu and Tanguay are going to be driving that line, no matter who they play with, but Lats is still doing fine offensively.


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