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HockeyF3ind 12-02-2008 01:59 AM

The Trick To Kostitsyns
 
IMO the trick to having the Kosty bros work is to have just one of them to push the envelope and put up more points, that in itself will inspire the other through sibling rivalry to do better and up his game. I mean its not a shocker but yea one gets going they both do is the jist. They have the same number of points...i rest my case.:sarcasm:

dre2112 12-02-2008 02:01 AM

The trick is to put them in a position where they have the freedom to play their own game and not be stuck in the passenger seat while Kovalev drives the car.

HockeyF3ind 12-02-2008 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CdHC (Post 16602880)
The trick is to put them in a position where they have the freedom to play their own game and not be stuck in the passenger seat while Kovalev drives the car.

But why wouldn't Kovy drive the car??? Afterall he is the best driver in the world! :sarcasm:

bhuya71 12-02-2008 02:05 AM

the entire team is a slump...akosts play will elevate the others...couple more wins...more goals will eventually go in etc and trust me the w column will start improving so will the goal and assists column we did kinda take off after the christmas break last year

dre2112 12-02-2008 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyF3ind (Post 16602885)
But why wouldn't Kovy drive the car??? Afterall he is the best driver in the world! :sarcasm:

Kovalev can get you from Laval to downtown in about 7 minutes weaving in and out of traffic but will crash and explode just as he gets off the exit at Atwater

LyricalLyricist 12-02-2008 02:21 AM

A kost hasn't been all that bad, we've seen some good flashes lately.

Le Tricolore 12-02-2008 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyF3ind (Post 16602885)
But why wouldn't Kovy drive the car??? Afterall he is the best driver in the world! :sarcasm:

http://media.canada.com/idl/mtgz/200...3666-11607.jpg

WeThreeKings 12-02-2008 08:35 AM

I think Andrei has at least a point (or a point per game) every game he's been away from Kovalev.

Case and point?

BigTimer* 12-02-2008 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist (Post 16602963)
A kost hasn't been all that bad, we've seen some good flashes lately.

Not quite Getzlaf and co. flashes though...

zurg999 12-02-2008 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTimer (Post 16604010)
Not quite Getzlaf and co. flashes though...

Do you ever have a real point?

BigTimer* 12-02-2008 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zurg999 (Post 16604625)
Do you ever have a real point?

That we seem to have a pair of enigmas here. Because last season was the same story.

Not quite Getzlaf style lunch pail guys unfortunately.

zurg999 12-02-2008 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTimer (Post 16604656)
That we seem to have a pair of enigmas here. Because last season was the same story.

Not quite Getzlaf style lunch pail guys unfortunately.

So? Doesn't mean that in the long term, A Kost won't pay off as well, factoring in the lottery that the draft is.

Same draft year as Kost/Getzlaf, 23 teams passed on Mike Richards. I guess they were all stupid.

BigTimer* 12-02-2008 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by zurg999 (Post 16604711)
So? Doesn't mean that in the long term, A Kost won't pay off as well, factoring in the lottery that the draft is.

Same draft year as Kost/Getzlaf, 23 teams passed on Mike Richards. I guess they were all stupid.

At this point, Kost is falling into the Nilsson category production wise... Not a bad pick per say, just a puzzling one considering our historical lack of grit at center.

That was an astonishingly poor draft considering the talent available.

1. Akost
2. Urquart
2. Lapierre
3. O'Byrne

Halak was pretty much the best value in that draft... 9th rounder.

zurg999 12-02-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTimer (Post 16604842)
At this point, Kost is falling into the Nilsson category production wise... Not a bad pick per say, just a puzzling one considering our historical lack of grit at center.

That was an astonishingly poor draft considering the talent available.

1. Akost
2. Urquart
2. Lapierre
3. O'Byrne

Halak was pretty much the best value in that draft... 9th rounder.

On the other hand, 4 NHL starters from one draft could be considered successful drafting.

BigTimer* 12-02-2008 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by zurg999 (Post 16604888)
On the other hand, 4 NHL starters from one draft could be considered successful drafting.

Or you could take the homer goggles off.

Urquart is a joke. Lapierre is a career 4th liner. O'Byrne is on thin ice as far as his NHL career goes.

Halak has shown a good deal of promise... but it just hurts to see Kostitsyn out there after watching guys like Richards, Getzlaf, Brown, and Parise take command of key roles both on the ice and in the dressing room at such young ages.

Lucius 12-02-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTimer (Post 16604842)
At this point, Kost is falling into the Nilsson category production wise... Not a bad pick per say, just a puzzling one considering our historical lack of grit at center.

That was an astonishingly poor draft considering the talent available.

1. Akost
2. Urquart
2. Lapierre
3. O'Byrne

Halak was pretty much the best value in that draft... 9th rounder.

2003 called, they want their posts back.

Seriously, we all know Getzlaf and Carter and Richards were better choices than Kostitsyn. At some point, you need to let go, accept that no one will consent to a do over and judge Kostitsyn on his own merits and not draft position.

Monctonscout 12-02-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTimer (Post 16604842)
At this point, Kost is falling into the Nilsson category production wise... Not a bad pick per say, just a puzzling one considering our historical lack of grit at center.

That was an astonishingly poor draft considering the talent available.

1. Akost
2. Urquart
2. Lapierre
3. O'Byrne

Halak was pretty much the best value in that draft... 9th rounder.

Lack of grit at center? Ever hear of a guy named Saku? :amazed:

BigTimer* 12-02-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Carey Price (Post 16605193)
Lack of grit at center? Ever hear of a guy named Saku? :amazed:

Oh boy... your trap, keep it shut.

Lucius 12-02-2008 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Carey Price (Post 16605193)
Lack of grit at center? Ever hear of a guy named Saku? :amazed:

Ugh - Even though I disagree with everything Ari has posted here, this one I gotta take issue with.

I love Koivu, and while he has a huge amount of heart, grit isn't exactly his game. He's tenacious, chippy at times. But he's a finesse player at heart.

The Habs have had a historical lack of grit at centre, that much is dead on correct.

Mind you, we have a historical lack of grit at left and right wing too ;)

Monctonscout 12-02-2008 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTimer (Post 16604950)
Or you could take the homer goggles off.

Urquart is a joke. Lapierre is a career 4th liner. O'Byrne is on thin ice as far as his NHL career goes.

Halak has shown a good deal of promise... but it just hurts to see Kostitsyn out there after watching guys like Richards, Getzlaf, Brown, and Parise take command of key roles both on the ice and in the dressing room at such young ages.

A.Kost had a key role last year for the last 60 games, 1st line, 1st PP etc.

He may or may not end up as good as those guys, but it would be dumb to call him a bad pick.

You can name any team in the nHL and I can find you a draft where they missed a star player or more.

Monctonscout 12-02-2008 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTimer (Post 16605333)
Oh boy... your trap, keep it shut.

So Saku is not gritty? I guess the whole hockey world must be idiots then. :shakehead

Monctonscout 12-02-2008 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucius (Post 16605401)
Ugh - Even though I disagree with everything Ari has posted here, this one I gotta take issue with.

I love Koivu, and while he has a huge amount of heart, grit isn't exactly his game. He's tenacious, chippy at times. But he's a finesse player at heart.

The Habs have had a historical lack of grit at centre, that much is dead on correct.

Mind you, we have a historical lack of grit at left and right wing too ;)

What's the difference between heart and grit? In my book and most people who watch hockey it means the same thing.

Saku is nothing if not gritty, nobody else in the NHL wins as many battles against bigger/stronger players. If that's not grit, I don't know what is!

BigTimer* 12-02-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Carey Price (Post 16605534)
A.Kost had a key role last year for the last 60 games, 1st line, 1st PP etc.

He may or may not end up as good as those guys, but it would be dumb to call him a bad pick.

You can name any team in the nHL and I can find you a draft where they missed a star player or more.

You have to look at the organizational needs at the time. Ribeiro hadn't even made the slightest impact in the league and still weighed 172 pounds. Koivu was about a year removed from his return from cancer. We needed a center.

Koivu is fiesty and all... but he's in his mid-30's and an upcoming UFA. Lang is an upcoming UFA.

Monctonscout 12-02-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTimer (Post 16605654)
You have to look at the organizational needs at the time. Ribeiro hadn't even made the slightest impact in the league and still weighed 172 pounds. Koivu was about a year removed from his return from cancer. We needed a center.

Koivu is fiesty and all... but he's in his mid-30's and an upcoming UFA. Lang is an upcoming UFA.

You don't draft by need in the 1st round, that's a sure way of making a bad pick. Koivu was 28 2003. Plekanec was also on the way and they drafted Higgins in Rd1 2002 plus they drafted 4 centermen in the top 4 rounds after A.Kost

Lucius 12-02-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Carey Price (Post 16605601)
What's the difference between heart and grit? In my book and most people who watch hockey it means the same thing.

Saku is nothing if not gritty, nobody else in the NHL wins as many battles against bigger/stronger players. If that's not grit, I don't know what is!

To me, gritty is someone who can impose themselves physically on their opponent, fight, take hits, give hits, keep going.

Koivu wins battles with his skill, not his strength. He's tenacious, but besides a couple highlights here and there, he's not a physically intimidating force. Nor should he be.

Begin, Kostopolous... they're gritty. What the Habs have lacked is a centre who shares those qualities and combined them with actual talent and size down the middle.


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