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Ched Brosky 12-09-2008 03:03 AM

Zack Kassian
 
Can someone give me a scouting report on this guy? I noticed he has been considered as a top 10 pick who will likely be picked around 15. I was wondering if he is as good as his stats this year imply because his stats from the season before make it look like that he was a completely different player last season

glucker 12-09-2008 05:35 AM

I'm pretty sure there are other threads about him, from what I've read, a better version of Lucic

Ten 12-09-2008 08:59 AM



Look for more of his fights on youtube.

Ched Brosky 12-09-2008 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by glucker (Post 16720408)
I'm pretty sure there are other threads about him, from what I've read, a better version of Lucic

Damn, if thats true, I'd love for the Nucks to draft him with their pick if Ryan Ellis is already taken. Vancouver's two needs are a big bruising power foward (that can actually finish) and a offensive dman that can carry the puck end to end.
I was a bit pissed the Nucks passed on Lucic and took Taylor Ellington that year with the 32nd over pick, hell even more pissed that they took Pat White in the first round over Lucic.

Anyone think he would be available around the 20th pick?

Ten 12-09-2008 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverback91 (Post 16721309)
Damn, if thats true, I'd love for the Nucks to draft him with their pick if Ryan Ellis is already taken. Vancouver's two needs are a big bruising power foward (that can actually finish) and a offensive dman that can carry the puck end to end.
I was a bit pissed the Nucks passed on Lucic and took Taylor Ellington that year with the 32nd over pick, hell even more pissed that they took Pat White in the first round over Lucic.

Anyone think he would be available around the 20th pick?

IMO honestly, no. I think he's a Top 10 pick (although, I can't put him in the Top 9). If he's still on the board at 15, I'll be surprised.

But the draft happens in June, who knows.

JEI 12-09-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by glucker (Post 16720408)
I'm pretty sure there are other threads about him, from what I've read, a better version of Lucic

Offensively, yes (it seems at least - like he'll develop into a better offensive player). Physically... hard to say. Lucic is a guy who stepped in at age 19 and was beating up grown men.

I'm not sure if Kassian will be able to do that, and win as handedly as I've seen Lucic beat up on players.

I think Lucic is a stronger player, but Kassian should have the higher offensive output. And his skating is not nearly as bad as Lucic's was at the same time. Though Lucic's skating IMO has improved greatly since coming into the NHL.

As for Kassian, he's a big, strong player, who's fearless and knows how to use his size to his advantage, and is not afraid to drop the mitts at all. He's a well spoken, nice kid and will protect his team mates and himself at all costs. He's been accused (from what I remember reading/hearing) of not picking his battles wisely.. in that he can get pulled into no use fights easily, or retaliate. But in the last game I saw vs. Windsor, Greenop tried to taunt him into a fight but Kassian knew it wasn't a fair trade off.

He has deceptive speed, and has powerful strides. He could work on his first couple steps, but what player that size doesn't need to work on that area? But he moves well for a big guy, and his technique is very good. Better then say.. Greg Nemisz, a big 6'3 player taken 1st round by Calgary last year.

Kassian also has some strong on-ice awareness and good offensive instincts. I believe he had an A last year at certain points of the season (he has one this season) which displays his leadership abilities. He also sees time on the PK if I'm not mistaken.

Overall he has a great package that I wouldn't be surprised to see taken in the top 10. If someone really likes what they see with him then I can see him taken early. If not I'd be shocked to see him last past 15th pick. He has the tools you don't really see in todays NHL. He seems like a players coach. In that, he'll play the type of game that the coach wants him to. He can be an energy guy, a scoring forward, a two-way guy... seems to have everything a team would want. He is a bit raw, but most players his size are.

So in conclusion:

Assets: Solid NHL frame, aggressive and strong on the forecheck, fearless, great on ice vision, and strong offensive instincts. Good leadership skills (from my perspective). Fan favourite.

Flaws: Needs to work on his acceleration and first steps. Also needs to continue to fine tune his overall raw game, which shouldn't be a huge problem.

Potential: Power Forward (in the truest sense)

Definately shaping up to be one of the more intriguing draft day picks IMO. But that's just my perspective, I'm sure some more dedicated OHL junkies can give a better view of him.

Ryan Van Horne 12-09-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverback91 (Post 16720115)
Can someone give me a scouting report on this guy? I noticed he has been considered as a top 10 pick who will likely be picked around 15. I was wondering if he is as good as his stats this year imply because his stats from the season before make it look like that he was a completely different player last season

Don't pay too much attention to the statistics of 16-year-old major junior players. Some get more playing time than others and more get opportunities. Also, it's a big adjustment and it takes some kids a full year to get used to the faster pace of play.

Loves to throw body checks. Loves to fight and is good at it. Not afraid of anyone. Dropped the gloves with Richard Greenop of Windsor last week and although it wasn't much of a fight, it shows Kassian won't back down from anyone. He has a mean streak, too.

He's a good playmaker and has a good shot. He's the prototypical power forward, the old-fashioned kind that doesn't come along very much anymore.

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Originally Posted by glucker (Post 16720408)
I'm pretty sure there are other threads about him, from what I've read, a better version of Lucic

He's certainly doing better at the age of 17 than Lucic did, but I'm not sure we can say for sure that Kassian will be better than Lucic. One thing that sets Lucic apart is his work ethic. As was mentioned in a recent feature on him in The Hockey News, Lucic's work ethic is unparalleled. He made himself the player he is today.

Kassian has more natural ability than Lucic does, but he has a lot of work to do before he accomplish in the NHL what Lucic has.

I'm not betting against him or anything, just saying, it's an even bigger step to the NHL from junior than it is from midget to junior. You've got to put the effort in.

Ryan Van Horne 12-09-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jericho99 (Post 16721631)
Offensively, yes (it seems at least - like he'll develop into a better offensive player). Physically... hard to say. Lucic is a guy who stepped in at age 19 and was beating up grown men.

I'm not sure if Kassian will be able to do that, and win as handedly as I've seen Lucic beat up on players.

I think Lucic is a stronger player, but Kassian should have the higher offensive output. And his skating is not nearly as bad as Lucic's was at the same time. Though Lucic's skating IMO has improved greatly since coming into the NHL.

As for Kassian, he's a big, strong player, who's fearless and knows how to use his size to his advantage, and is not afraid to drop the mitts at all. He's a well spoken, nice kid and will protect his team mates and himself at all costs. He's been accused (from what I remember reading/hearing) of not picking his battles wisely.. in that he can get pulled into no use fights easily, or retaliate. But in the last game I saw vs. Windsor, Greenop tried to taunt him into a fight but Kassian knew it wasn't a fair trade off.

He has deceptive speed, and has powerful strides. He could work on his first couple steps, but what player that size doesn't need to work on that area? But he moves well for a big guy, and his technique is very good. Better then say.. Greg Nemisz, a big 6'3 player taken 1st round by Calgary last year.

Kassian also has some strong on-ice awareness and good offensive instincts. I believe he had an A last year at certain points of the season (he has one this season) which displays his leadership abilities. He also sees time on the PK if I'm not mistaken.

Overall he has a great package that I wouldn't be surprised to see taken in the top 10. If someone really likes what they see with him then I can see him taken early. If not I'd be shocked to see him last past 15th pick. He has the tools you don't really see in todays NHL. He seems like a players coach. In that, he'll play the type of game that the coach wants him to. He can be an energy guy, a scoring forward, a two-way guy... seems to have everything a team would want. He is a bit raw, but most players his size are.

So in conclusion:

Assets: Solid NHL frame, aggressive and strong on the forecheck, fearless, great on ice vision, and strong offensive instincts. Good leadership skills (from my perspective). Fan favourite.

Flaws: Needs to work on his acceleration and first steps. Also needs to continue to fine tune his overall raw game, which shouldn't be a huge problem.

Potential: Power Forward (in the truest sense)

Definately shaping up to be one of the more intriguing draft day picks IMO. But that's just my perspective, I'm sure some more dedicated OHL junkies can give a better view of him.

Nice read, Jericho. Thanks.

As for Kassian and where he'll go, it's difficult to predict. I mentioned this in another thread about Kassian, but because of his style of play, he could be a draft-day wildcar.

By that I mean he could go higher than many people rank him because a GM could decided he just has to have him and doesn't want to risk not getting him because he's a singular commodity. How many other true power forward types are there in the first round? If the Leafs pick in the 5-10 range, I could see Burke taking Kassian and relishing it.

rt 12-09-2008 12:42 PM

Where would he be ranked if he didn't like to fight and hadn't been in one yet? Top OHL picks in recent years generally seem to have much better offensive statistics. I know he's a big kid, and big kids take a little longer, but still. Any insight, there?

In 1995, Steve Kelly was taken sixth overall, followed by Shane Doan at seventh and Terry Ryan at eighth. All were big strapping wingers who liked to mix it up and had big-time powerforward potential. What makes Kassian more like Doan and less like Kelly and Ryan? Also, Brad May, out of the OHL, many years ago put up amazing numbers in both points and PIMs. He was selected 14th overall and has been nothing more than a middle-weight enforcer/energy player throughout his career. I'm not saying Kassian will fall into that same role, I've never even seen the kid play(outside of highlights), but I'm just wondering what it is about him that makes people so confident that he'll be a success. I'm curious becuase I can see my Coyotes falling in love with him, and being in a position to draft him.

timw33 12-09-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Silverback91 (Post 16721309)
Damn, if thats true, I'd love for the Nucks to draft him with their pick if Ryan Ellis is already taken. Vancouver's two needs are a big bruising power foward (that can actually finish) and a offensive dman that can carry the puck end to end.
I was a bit pissed the Nucks passed on Lucic and took Taylor Ellington that year with the 32nd over pick, hell even more pissed that they took Pat White in the first round over Lucic.

Anyone think he would be available around the 20th pick?


Way to go buddy, but check your facts.


Milan Lucic, 2006 Draft.


Ellington/White, 2007 Draft.


Also, Lucic was coming off a 9 goal 19 point WHL campaign and was pegged for the 3rd or 4th round of the draft. Getting taken in the 2nd round was a surprise to many.

Enjoy the wonders of hindsight, I'll give you some help, when someone says Ellington or White you say (in a whiny voice) PARRREEE-ONNNNN :cry: Mauuuuuulleeeeer :cry: or Repppppiiiiiikkkk :cry:

daethfromabove1979 12-09-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by timw33 (Post 16731772)
Way to go buddy, but check your facts.


Milan Lucic, 2006 Draft.


Ellington/White, 2007 Draft.


Also, Lucic was coming off a 9 goal 19 point WHL campaign and was pegged for the 3rd or 4th round of the draft. Getting taken in the 2nd round was a surprise to many.

Enjoy the wonders of hindsight, I'll give you some help, when someone says Ellington or White you say (in a whiny voice) PARRREEE-ONNNNN :cry: Mauuuuuulleeeeer :cry: or Repppppiiiiiikkkk :cry:

i was gonna call this guy out on being pissed on draft day for the canucks not taking lucic(who as you said was a surprise to go as high as he did, great pick boston) but was going to give him the benefit of the doubt because he goes for vancouver and lucic played in vancouver in the dub so he have seen him play in junior, but getting the years mixed up for ellington and white is just poor

SoundwaveIsCharisma 12-10-2008 12:10 AM

I'm absolutely overjoyed to see all these true power forwards starting to show up in the leagues. Lucic is already here, Beach is on the way and now Kassian, hopefully power forwards will start showing up again and become truely popular.

JEI 12-10-2008 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rt (Post 16722947)
Where would he be ranked if he didn't like to fight and hadn't been in one yet? Top OHL picks in recent years generally seem to have much better offensive statistics. I know he's a big kid, and big kids take a little longer, but still. Any insight, there?

In 1995, Steve Kelly was taken sixth overall, followed by Shane Doan at seventh and Terry Ryan at eighth. All were big strapping wingers who liked to mix it up and had big-time powerforward potential. What makes Kassian more like Doan and less like Kelly and Ryan? Also, Brad May, out of the OHL, many years ago put up amazing numbers in both points and PIMs. He was selected 14th overall and has been nothing more than a middle-weight enforcer/energy player throughout his career. I'm not saying Kassian will fall into that same role, I've never even seen the kid play(outside of highlights), but I'm just wondering what it is about him that makes people so confident that he'll be a success. I'm curious becuase I can see my Coyotes falling in love with him, and being in a position to draft him.

Because he brings a total package. It's hard to explain I mean, I can't compare him to a 1995 draft because I was 7 at the time lol.

His fighting ability isn't what makes him a great prospect, it's just an added bonus. He has a great phyiscal game and uses his body wisely. He has an under-rated offensive game, and see's the ice very well.

He's not a sure lock to be a success but due to his overall skill set, and size he's almost a lock to make the NHL IMO. How much of an impact he'll have depends on how his game develops in the years coming.

No one can dictate that type of careers NHL'ers will have. He may turn into Brad May, he could turn into Shane Doan. But the gamble from what I see right now from him, is well worth it. Especially from a team like Phoenix who has enough young talent as is.


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