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wrx27 12-21-2008 09:34 PM

So who goes...?
 
Next year is next year. This year, now - who is going to get traded, waived or demoted? With Jones back when Briere comes back in a couple of weeks barring any unforseen cap relief who is the one to go? Im sure Kukks is gone and Kalinksi and Powe will be demoted when Metro/Briere are back but if were healthy whos out? Just looking for thoughts or if anyone has an idea. Im not a huge Jones fan but he didnt look bad in his first game back. It seems like its gonna be a hard decision.

RoDu 12-21-2008 09:39 PM

I would think Luca to the WHL, Kukkonen to the Phantoms, the call up players will be sent back down, yeah I dunno, it'll be hectic

FlyHigh 12-21-2008 09:50 PM

This whole economic crisis could really screw us for the future. I mean, I could easily see us being forced to deal a guy like Giroux in order to keep Carter/JVR.

Lupul is as good as gone IMO, don't know what else.

As for the rest, I have no idea.

Banger 12-21-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyHigh (Post 16934986)
This whole economic crisis could really screw us for the future. I mean, I could easily see us being forced to deal a guy like Giroux in order to keep Carter/JVR.

Lupul is as good as gone IMO, don't know what else.

As for the rest, I have no idea.

I agree that its lupul.

rizface 12-21-2008 10:22 PM

I'm not so sure it's Lupul anymore. He has turned his season around after being united with Carter and Hartnell. I suspect it will be Jones although I prefer him to Carle to be honest. Carle has the flashy passes and all, but I think Jones is a safer defensive player. Carle makes more, although not a lot, of bone-headed defensive plays.

wrx27 12-21-2008 10:26 PM

I think with steady linemates Lupul and Carter are exploding. Hartnell and Lupul have played well with Richards and Carter with Upshall-Knuble but none of them have played this good for us. I want that line to stay together. For next year Knuble will come off and we can address than. For this year i see weither Carle or Jones gone id rather Keep Carle. Luca to his old team as much as i like him (sucks we wasted a year) Kukks/Kalinksi/Powe demoted. But i think were still over unless Carle, Jones or someone else goes which sucks.

flyersfan97 12-21-2008 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wrx27 (Post 16935539)
I think with steady linemates Lupul and Carter are exploding. Hartnell and Lupul have played well with Richards and Carter with Upshall-Knuble but none of them have played this good for us. I want that line to stay together. For next year Knuble will come off and we can address than. For this year i see weither Carle or Jones gone id rather Keep Carle. Luca to his old team as much as i like him (sucks we wasted a year) Kukks/Kalinksi/Powe demoted. But i think were still over unless Carle, Jones or someone else goes which sucks.

Don't be so sure. I can absolutely see him being back in the orange and black in the 09-10 season.

dbr2 12-21-2008 10:43 PM

I don't know if Knuble will be gone because, he is a vet and, vets is what this team lacks.

FlyHigh 12-21-2008 10:46 PM

Yeah but you guys have to realize that the cap could stay potentially static through the 10/11 season.

Let's consider what we need by then.

- Extension for Carter and Gagne at the end of the year.
- Coburn at a 4 mill raise
- JVR coming onto the team at a cap hit of around 3 mill
- Giroux and possibly Nodl coming onto the team for decent sized hits possibly.
- The Biron/Nitty tandem probably getting a raise if they stay.
- Extension for Sbisa
- Probable extension for Parent

What do we have coming off?

- Mike Knuble at 2 mill
- Randy Jones at 2 mill
- Metro at 1 mill

So that's 5 mill or so coming off compared to a whole heck of a lot more that will be coming on.

Guys like Carter, Kimmo, Coburn, Carle, Briere, Richards, JVR, and Hartnell are either not expendable or not tradeable.

There's not a lot of big salary pieces left after you get past those guys, so something's gotta give and that's going to be lesser pieces taken away from our team's strongest point which basically means Lupul and Upshall.

EDIT: I should add that I'm a big fan of both those guys, so it does suck thinking about them leaving although I think both their performances this year are less than what they are capable of.

wrx27 12-21-2008 10:47 PM

I can agree with both of you for a 3rd or 4th line role top 2 line filler if needed but id assume with lesser salary. We cant afford to give him a raise and sign Biron/Nitty or one and a backup as well as Upshall who i absolutley want back!

Alchemy 12-21-2008 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyHigh (Post 16934986)
This whole economic crisis could really screw us for the future. I mean, I could easily see us being forced to deal a guy like Giroux in order to keep Carter/JVR.

Lupul is as good as gone IMO, don't know what else.

As for the rest, I have no idea.

And that is what scares me the most.

But i agree Lupul is gone. Maybe Knuble.

thunderhorse 12-21-2008 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyHigh (Post 16935839)
- Coburn at a 4 mill raise
- JVR coming onto the team at a cap hit of around 3 mill
- Giroux and possibly Nodl coming onto the team for decent sized hits possibly.
- The Biron/Nitty tandem probably getting a raise if they stay.

I doubt Coburn'll get that much. I mean, to keep him off of the open market, we may have to, but with the year he's having, he's balancing out all of the potential he showed last year and extending him at current salary would be lovely, though probably very unlikely. I don't see how JVR would come on for $3 million unless he had an insane rookie season. Giroux would be the same as JVR and Nodl won't make a dime until he starts learning to finish. The Biron/Nitty tandem needs to go. Both are far to inconsistent and, though I'm not sure who we could pick up, this duo is not going to put us over the hump until they get past their mental issues.

GKJ 12-21-2008 11:36 PM

They'll be fine next year.


They should send Sbisa back to juniors, something that should have happened a long time ago.

TehBBA 12-22-2008 12:05 AM

I thought Luca had to stay with the team for the rest of the season.

sa cyred 12-22-2008 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go kim johnsson 514 (Post 16936576)
They'll be fine next year.


They should send Sbisa back to juniors, something that should have happened a long time ago.

We keep saying that, but personally I really dont see them sending him down for some reason. One being that the reporters keep asking him the same question and he keeps saying he will stay up. It will be interesting to see who gets traded though...

dbr2 12-22-2008 01:51 AM

Alberts traded?

flyersfan187 12-22-2008 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dbr2 (Post 16937905)
Alberts traded?

Could be. Then we could have Sbisa play and have Kukkenon as the 7th d. Keep Parent in the minors unless there is a major injury. Then again I like the player Alberts has become for us. hmm

McNasty 12-22-2008 02:22 AM

Honestly I can see Knuble being the one dealt. I like the 3rd line with Upshall Metro and Asham/Nodl. Briere can take Knubles spot with Richie and Gags and you keep Hartnell Carter and Lupul together. Knuble is biggest cap hit you can realistically move that isn't going to gut the team. If Lupul is going to get dealt I think it's going to be during the off season.

chaosof99* 12-22-2008 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TehBBA (Post 16936931)
I thought Luca had to stay with the team for the rest of the season.

No, but his cap-hit will.

PhilaFlyers 12-22-2008 03:05 AM

Hopefully not Lupul

BobbyClarkeFan16 12-22-2008 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosof99 (Post 16938243)
No, but his cap-hit will.

only if Luca stays beyond 40 games. If he gets sent back before the 40 games is up, yes, a year is lost on his contract, but his contract won't count against the cap.

Dig Out Your Soul 12-22-2008 03:12 AM

Lupul's $4M+ extension makes him an instant cap-casualty. We just can't have that on the cap next year, I still don't know what Holmgren was thinking.

PhilaFlyers 12-22-2008 03:16 AM

Yeah I know but Lupul is my favorite player and it'll be sad to see him go.

Dig Out Your Soul 12-22-2008 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyers (Post 16938301)
Yeah I know but Lupul is my favorite player and it'll be sad to see him go.

Yeah I've always liked Joffrey, it just makes too much sense to get rid of him.

decadentia 12-22-2008 04:10 AM

Like others have said, Lupul has to be gone I would think. Knuble is someone i'd like to keep however.

I wonder how much of a raise Vaananen will be asking for, you would have to think we'd be trying to bring him back.

Personally I see homer believe the following are expendable depending what he plans on doing...

Lupul
Upshall
Knuble
Alberts
Kukkonnen

I really wonder if Briere would consider being traded, something i'll never know, but always wish I did. Although i'd like to keep him, he sure would free up a lot of space to build a more cohesive team around. Anyhou, thats my can of worms for the week.


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