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Barnaby 03-06-2004 12:04 AM

Jamie Lundmark
 
This kid has done nothing. I don't want to hear about his linemates. He doesn't make anything happen. It's time to put up or shut up. I dont care who he's playing with... Ortmeyer and D-Lac deserve to move up before he does. We all have overhyped him being that he has been our one legitimate prospect but enough is enough. He's been a decent penalty killer and nothing more. It's time for him to produce. In all honesty - if you can move him in a package for a better young player or top prospect then I wont miss him. He hasn't shown me the ability to be a top 6 forward.

st_roland 03-06-2004 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
This kid has done nothing. I don't want to hear about his linemates. He doesn't make anything happen. It's time to put up or shut up. I dont care who he's playing with... Ortmeyer and D-Lac deserve to move up before he does. We all have overhyped him being that he has been our one legitimate prospect but enough is enough. He's been a decent penalty killer and nothing more. It's time for him to produce. In all honesty - if you can move him in a package for a better young player or top prospect then I wont miss him. He hasn't shown me the ability to be a top 6 forward.


How about Boychuk for him?

in the hall 03-06-2004 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
This kid has done nothing. I don't want to hear about his linemates. He doesn't make anything happen. It's time to put up or shut up. I dont care who he's playing with... Ortmeyer and D-Lac deserve to move up before he does. We all have overhyped him being that he has been our one legitimate prospect but enough is enough. He's been a decent penalty killer and nothing more. It's time for him to produce. In all honesty - if you can move him in a package for a better young player or top prospect then I wont miss him. He hasn't shown me the ability to be a top 6 forward.

then what do u wanna hear cuz the truth is that... im as tired of his lack of production as the next guy and would prefer to deal him if we can get a similar guy in return or a upgrade but i still think hes got an upside... and hes not shown u he can be a top 6 forward... man i dunno what u have been watching but i still see kid thats got an above average shot and above average playmaking ability that just hasnt been given any real opportunities to make use of them....

Voice of Reason 03-06-2004 06:43 AM

Maybe I'm exaggerating a tad, but I can think of about 29 other teams that would welcome Lundmark into the organization...

RangersFan 03-06-2004 07:38 AM

I agree that he has been overhyped like crazy, is most likely not the player we thought he would be, and he hasn't flat out produced with the ice time he has been given. But I would like to see him put in a bigger role for the rest of the season, and the next. I want to see him play with Jagr, or a guy that could give him confidence by setting him up for scoring chances. I would like to see a Rucinsky-Lundmark-Jagr line, or a Lundmark-Holik-Jagr line for the rest of the seasone, and keep them together even if they are not producing. I want to see the kid gain some confidence, and a semblence of a role. No switching back and forth between, 1st line, 4th line, right wing, center, different linemates. Just give him a specific role, and a specific line and lets see what he can do...

Fletch 03-06-2004 09:00 AM

I actually wouldn't mind seeing...
 
a Lundmark-Messier-Barnaby line out there. Anything but the current. He's playing with two fourth liners right now. Not sure how much offense you'd expect from that - from most everybody not named Jagr.

klingsor 03-06-2004 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RangersFan
I agree that he has been overhyped like crazy, is most likely not the player we thought he would be, and he hasn't flat out produced with the ice time he has been given. But I would like to see him put in a bigger role for the rest of the season, and the next. I want to see him play with Jagr, or a guy that could give him confidence by setting him up for scoring chances. I would like to see a Rucinsky-Lundmark-Jagr line, or a Lundmark-Holik-Jagr line for the rest of the seasone, and keep them together even if they are not producing. I want to see the kid gain some confidence, and a semblence of a role. No switching back and forth between, 1st line, 4th line, right wing, center, different linemates. Just give him a specific role, and a specific line and lets see what he can do...

I'd like the Rucinsky (if he stays)-Lundmark-Jagr line, too.

He may not be a #1 or even a #2 center, but this might be the best way to find out before hockey is resumed after this season.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 03-06-2004 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SatherExecutioner
What is so great about Rucinsky? he had 7 goals in the month of November and only 6 goals the rest of the season.


Have you been watching the games?

Davisian 03-06-2004 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SatherExecutioner
Don't ask idiotic questions ok, buddy?

If Ruchinsky is traded in the woods, does he make a sound?

in the hall 03-06-2004 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SatherExecutioner
Don't ask idiotic questions ok, buddy?

dude... rucinsky has been great this year... seriously its not by mistake hes a +19 and if all ur looking at is goals then ur really being short sighted cuz everyone knows that isnt his game or his value....

PotiFan03 03-06-2004 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
This kid has done nothing. I don't want to hear about his linemates. He doesn't make anything happen. It's time to put up or shut up. I dont care who he's playing with... Ortmeyer and D-Lac deserve to move up before he does. We all have overhyped him being that he has been our one legitimate prospect but enough is enough. He's been a decent penalty killer and nothing more. It's time for him to produce. In all honesty - if you can move him in a package for a better young player or top prospect then I wont miss him. He hasn't shown me the ability to be a top 6 forward.


But you should also take into account the atmosphere he has been playing in the last two seasons. A bunch of lazy veteran players with a coaching staff that has no clue. Not exactly an ideal atmosphere for a young player to develop in.

007 03-06-2004 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SatherExecutioner
What is so great about Rucinsky? he had 7 goals in the month of November and only 6 goals the rest of the season.

With the skills Rucinsky has, the types of goals he *can* score, he *looks* like he should be a 30 goal man, but I think that's not true. I've actually come to think of him almost like a Jere Lehtinen type -- not so much in that he's a defensive specialist, but in that he's a good all-round forward who can neatly complement two attacking players.

When Rucinsky was on a line with Lindros and Bure (like he should have been last year), and he complemented them extremely well. Perhaps they loved playing with him not because he could pot all manner of goals, but because with him on the ice, they had a winger who gave them the confidence to push in the offensive zone. This year, he's not had attacking forwards with him all the time (playing mostly with Holik), and his production hasn't been great, numbers-wise. His contribution to the Rangers has been great, however.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 03-06-2004 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SatherExecutioner
Don't ask idiotic questions ok, buddy?

Tremendous discourse. Thanks for sharing.

Rucinsky scores, takes the body, works hard every shift, produces points, back checks and kills penalties. And playoff teams want him.

But who needs Rucinsky when you have Hereema.

Rucinsky for Kudroc?

Barnaby 03-06-2004 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PotiFan03
But you should also take into account the atmosphere he has been playing in the last two seasons. A bunch of lazy veteran players with a coaching staff that has no clue. Not exactly an ideal atmosphere for a young player to develop in.

Regardless he's a young guy who has to fight for a job. There is no excuse that D-Lac has more points. You cant expect Lundmark to have 25 goals right now but show something. The few times the guy makes something happen it goes wide or hits the goalies chest.

I'm not saying that he's worth nothing or I don't want to see more of him. I'm just saying his lack of production is irritating. In all honesty Jed Ortmeyer has outplayed Lundmark by a pretty decent margin, and that shouldn't happen.

True Blue 03-06-2004 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway
Rucinsky for Kudroc?

:joker: :yo: :joker:

There's not one player on the Rangers that can bring back such ransom.

True Blue 03-06-2004 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
In all honesty Jed Ortmeyer has outplayed Lundmark by a pretty decent margin, and that shouldn't happen.

Ortmeyer was also not yo-yo'ed from LW to RW to C and back. He did not go from one line to being dumped onto the 4th to the 3rd to the 4th. He also recieved pretty even ice time. Jaime spent LOTS of quality time being stapled to the bench. You may not think that playing every single forward position is a big deal, but believe me, it makes a difference and CAN have an adverse effect on a young forward.

Barnaby 03-06-2004 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by True Blue
Ortmeyer was also not yo-yo'ed from LW to RW to C and back. He did not go from one line to being dumped onto the 4th to the 3rd to the 4th. He also recieved pretty even ice time. Jaime spent LOTS of quality time being stapled to the bench. You may not think that playing every single forward position is a big deal, but believe me, it makes a difference and CAN have an adverse effect on a young forward.

There comes a point in time when excuses just dont work. It's getting to that point. There is always a problem... Not enough time in the minors, too much time in the minors, not the right linemates, not the right position, not enough ice time, varied ice time. It's time for him to step up. Enough BS. This guys lack of production has to fall on his own shoulders at some point.

Have the Rangers done a perfect job with him? No. Have they "ruined" him? Absolutly not!

This is it: It's time for him to put up or shut up.

You want to see him with Jagr? Great. Let's see him EARN that spot. At this point D-Lac and Ortmeyer have made a better case to move up.

klingsor 03-06-2004 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
You want to see him with Jagr? Great. Let's see him EARN that spot. At this point D-Lac and Ortmeyer have made a better case to move up.

What are there? 20-25 ****ing games left?

Maybe you're right and he's no top liner but why not give him every chance to fail (and PROVE you're right) with topliners to show that he's not gonna be a top six guy.

Barnaby 03-06-2004 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by klingsor
What are there? 20-25 ****ing games left?

Maybe you're right and he's no top liner but why not give him every chance to fail (and PROVE you're right) with topliners to show that he's not gonna be a top six guy.

Fine, give him a shot. The aggravating thing is hearing everyone say he's not producing because hes not getting 20 min per with Jagr. Let's be honest.... how many rookies get that oppurtunity? Most start on the 2nd-3rd line and work their way up. I realize he hasnt always been given the best chances but I'd like to see the guy do something.

I'm not saying he's a bust, but I am saying not to get your hopes too high. At this point I'd take him being a solid 2nd line winger.

True Blue 03-06-2004 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
I'm not saying he's a bust, but I am saying not to get your hopes too high. At this point I'd take him being a solid 2nd line winger.

Then why not give him a chance to prove it ON THE SECOND LINE? Real hard to generate a lick of offense w/ Lac & Jed.

RANGER#11 03-07-2004 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch
a Lundmark-Messier-Barnaby line out there. Anything but the current. He's playing with two fourth liners right now. Not sure how much offense you'd expect from that - from most everybody not named Jagr.

I agree I would also like to see this line. If he is going to have a fair shot this would give it to him. Mess seems to bring out the best in young guys. He still in my opinion has not had a fair shot. This would do it.

in the hall 03-08-2004 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
Fine, give him a shot. The aggravating thing is hearing everyone say he's not producing because hes not getting 20 min per with Jagr. Let's be honest.... how many rookies get that oppurtunity? Most start on the 2nd-3rd line and work their way up. I realize he hasnt always been given the best chances but I'd like to see the guy do something.

I'm not saying he's a bust, but I am saying not to get your hopes too high. At this point I'd take him being a solid 2nd line winger.

relax buddy.. agnst isnt helpfull..;).... i think ur not doing ur home work.... off the top of my head i can think of a handfull of rooks that got premium minutes (pp time and scoring lines) this year and previous ones....

patrice bergeron.. nikolai zherdev.. eric staal.. jason king.. michael ryder.. trent hunter.. radim vrbata.. ryan malone.. toumo ruutu.. pavel brendl

Barnaby 03-08-2004 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by in the hall
relax buddy.. agnst isnt helpfull..;).... i think ur not doing ur home work.... off the top of my head i can think of a handfull of rooks that got premium minutes (pp time and scoring lines) this year and previous ones....

patrice bergeron.. nikolai zherdev.. eric staal.. jason king.. michael ryder.. trent hunter.. radim vrbata.. ryan malone.. toumo ruutu.. pavel brendl

There is no angst here..... just a debate.

There are always exceptions to the rule. Just look at Colorado with Tanguay, Hejdiuk..etc... I'm not saying not to give hime the time, but I think you can't deflect all of his criticisms to the coaching staff. I've been saying all year to give him time on one of the top two lines, and I still hope they do. I do think that its fair to say at this point that he's been a little bit of a dissapointment. I think you have to take into account his own play which has been mediocre at best, and not just deflect his deserved criticisms upon his linemates and coaches.

Barnaby 03-08-2004 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by in the hall
i think ur not doing ur home work.... off the top of my head i can think of a handfull of rooks that got premium minutes (pp time and scoring lines) this year and previous ones....

patrice bergeron.. nikolai zherdev.. eric staal.. jason king.. michael ryder.. trent hunter.. radim vrbata.. ryan malone.. toumo ruutu.. pavel brendl

Most of those guys have fizzled or have earned that spot. Tent Hunter worked his way up with the Isles and produced. Staal earned his spot by playing hard and producing so they were forced to give him minutes... same thing with Bergeron. You think Boston gave Bergeron anything? That guy had worked his way up by producing wherever he was.

What has Lundmark done? He had a few good games half-way through the season, but how often does he grab the puck and force his way to the net or set himself or a linemate up for a big opportunity? Not that the guy is a marked bust but can we be objective here? What has HE done? Give him some more time with better players if you want, but don't expect him to suddenly bust out and start creating things just because he's playing with Messier rather then Ortmeyer.

moosemessier 03-08-2004 02:35 PM

imagine this? lundmark is another average ranger prospect! hahahahh!


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