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mucker* 01-08-2009 10:26 PM

Should The Rangers Have Signed Mark Streit Instead?
 
I'm starting to think the Rangers really made a mistake not just in signing in Redden, but completely ignoring Mark Streit.

At the start of the offseason I thought the Rangers top target was to get a defenseman who could help the awful power play.
The top man for this was Brian Campbell, but the Rangers I don't think could match Chicago's offer and he liked the fit there.

It seemed after that Slats completely skipped over Streit and paid almost double for Wade Redden.
Now Mark Streit has his shortcomings.
He is not much of a defensive player.

However, he is an excellent power play asset, because even on the worst team in the NHL with little help, he still is tied for defenseman scoring points and leads in that category for the power play.

Not only that, but he is a -5 on the worst team, whereas Redden is a -7.

I can not believe how dumb Slats was.
Signing Redden is dumb in itself, he has done nothing on the power play and his points total stinks given he has more talent around.
Streit is proving his value as the Canadians are struggling on the power play.

Am I missing something, or did Slats really make a big error.
How can you pay double for Redden and get a worse defensemen who can't help on the power play?

FutureGM97 01-08-2009 10:27 PM

i wanted Streit over Rozsival but having Streit instead of Redden at this point would have been better.

Ih8theislanders 01-08-2009 10:29 PM

Definitely. Even at 6.5 mil, Streit>>>>Redden

FLYLine24* 01-08-2009 10:29 PM

Hindsight 20/20 is awesome isnt it? :rolleyes:



Go back to a poll in June Redden or Sreit......Redden would win 90 to 10.

Burlington Bomb 26 01-08-2009 10:31 PM

Streit > Rozsival >>>>>>> x100 > Redden

John Torturella 01-08-2009 10:38 PM

We would have been better off signing Malik. Anything but Redden. ANYTHING.

KRM 01-08-2009 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLYLine88 (Post 17235423)
Hindsight 20/20 is awesome isnt it? :rolleyes:



Go back to a poll in June Redden or Sreit......Redden would win 90 to 10.

I would be one of the 10. :p:

ChrisKreider20 01-08-2009 10:39 PM

IMO Renney is a huge problem in Redden's struggles this year? I mean he looks like a piece of crap. Redden's successes were in offensive systems. Look at Ozolinsh. He had nearly 15 points or so in 16 games or something with the Rangers. The next year, he was forced to play "the system" and was absolutely useless. I'd be interested in this Ranger team with a new coaching staff and see if Redden looks better.

I Eat Crow 01-08-2009 10:52 PM

I agree that Redden has been awful for the most part thus far, but take off your anti-Redden blinders for one second.

I was at the game against the Penguins Monday night, and for some reason I was thinking exactly this; "Wow, if Redden flipped on a switch, how scary would this Rangers team be?". Redden played his best game as a Ranger that night, IMO. While he didn't show up on the scoresheet, he played very sound defensively, and I saw him join the rush a few times without getting caught up ice. Keep in mind people, Redden is here for at least a couple of seasons, for better or worse.

As a fan of the team, I can only hope that Redden re-discovers his form from even two seasons ago and lets it show on the ice. I have faith that he will. The first season in New York is never easy for a free agent signing with the team. Redden also got married over the summer, so I'm sure he's juggling playing in a new city while also adapting to married life. Not exactly an easy thing to do. Wade will bounce back, I have strong convictions that he will.

For the record, as I mentioned in the beginning of my post, I agree that Redden has been brutal so far this season, and definitely don't approve of the terms of his contract, both in monetary amount and length. Be honest with yourselves for a minute. I have no doubt in my mind that Streit would have been God awful here in Manhattan had he signed here instead of Redden. Streit is only having a good season stats wise because of the new up tempo system that Scott Gordon has installed since he became coach. Had Redden signed on the island, he would be at the All Star game for the Isles as Streit will be. Take a look at some of Streit's highlights, the guy is a train wreck defensively, even more so than Redden. There's a reason Montreal dressed Streit as a forward for a good chunk of their games last season.



My short answer to the OP's question: No.

In The Flesh 01-08-2009 10:53 PM

Would have rather signed Malik to be honest.

Nemchinov13 01-08-2009 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLYLine88 (Post 17235423)
Hindsight 20/20 is awesome isnt it? :rolleyes:



Go back to a poll in June Redden or Sreit......Redden would win 90 to 10.

Cold, hard truth

FromTheSide 01-08-2009 10:59 PM

People seem to not understand that its not redden "Choking" on the powerplay or offense in general.

Renney's half ass defense system basically says
if your position is D that means no goals for you!

early in the season redden rushed (and it was working) but the coach of course wants him playing "cautious" and defense first so no rushing,no shooting other than a "perfect" shot its pointless.


so if we got streit instead of redden i can see renney telling him the same thing and streit wouldnt have nearly as many points as he does now.

NYR Sting 01-08-2009 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImmortalRanger (Post 17236187)
People seem to not understand that its not redden "Choking" on the powerplay or offense in general.

Renney's half ass defense system basically says
if your position is D that means no goals for you!

early in the season redden rushed (and it was working) but the coach of course wants him playing "cautious" and defense first so no rushing,no shooting other than a "perfect" shot its pointless.


so if we got streit instead of redden i can see renney telling him the same thing and streit wouldnt have nearly as many points as he does now.

And how does this account for the fact that Redden was terrible last season and the year before in Ottawa. That's the funny thing, its like Sather doesn't even watch the games. He just goes on reputation alone.

If you'd see Redden play last season, you'd have to be an idiot to think he was worth that kind of risk.

FromTheSide 01-08-2009 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sting36e (Post 17236575)
And how does this account for the fact that Redden was terrible last season and the year before in Ottawa. That's the funny thing, its like Sather doesn't even watch the games. He just goes on reputation alone.

If you'd see Redden play last season, you'd have to be an idiot to think he was worth that kind of risk.

the entire senators TEAM was horrible last year and ugh last i checked the year before they went to the cup finals :sarcasm:

ecemleafs 01-08-2009 11:22 PM

if redden comes around i dont want to hear anything from you people. streit is decent. redden has been a much better player over his career. at least give redden more then 4 months to judge.

we want cup 01-08-2009 11:50 PM

Watching the Avs game tonight I think Liles would have been the best pickup we could possibly have made. I think in the best of all possible worlds, we wind up with:

Staal-Rozy
Girardi-Liles
Anyone but Kalinin-Mara

FromTheSide 01-08-2009 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by we want cup (Post 17237202)
Watching the Avs game tonight I think Liles would have been the best pickup we could possibly have made. I think in the best of all possible worlds, we wind up with:

Staal-Rozy
Girardi-Liles
Anyone but Kalinin-Mara

anyone but kalinin or anyone but kainin AND mara? :sarcasm:

mucker* 01-08-2009 11:58 PM

The point is, Redden was brought here to improve the power play.
He has not and his defense has been bad.
Streit while being bad on his defense has been very good on the power play.

Why is it a forgone thought Redden is here for a long time?
We can ship him to the minors or buy him out.
Dolan has the money.

we want cup 01-08-2009 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImmortalRanger (Post 17237250)
anyone but kalinin or anyone but kainin AND mara? :sarcasm:

That.

Please, I love Paul Mara. Me and my buddies affectionately call him "Bear." Whenever he shoots we shout "BEAR SHOT!!!!!" We say stuff like "Whoah! I didn't know bears could skate like that... Wow, that bear just mauled that guy along the boards," etc.

FromTheSide 01-09-2009 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blades212 (Post 17237331)
The point is, Redden was brought here to improve the power play.
He has not and his defense has been bad.
Streit while being bad on his defense has been very good on the power play.

Why is it a forgone thought Redden is here for a long time?
We can ship him to the minors or buy him out.
Dolan has the money.

Yes wade was brought to improve the PP but how can that be done?

we have an idiot of a special teams coach that does nothing but pick out fruity ties to wear for between period interviews and we have a head coach whos too stubborn about his defense-crap system to even bother scoring on the PP,Instead he wants us to break the record for SHG allowed in a season.

Nyrvana 01-09-2009 12:02 AM

Redden and Roszival will improve. The only player on this board that hasn't been criticized is Staal, and well deserved. The whole team hasn't played well. Now its either that all these players who were once good players suck or the systems sucks. Personally I think its the system. If someone outside our fan base read our boards they would think we're dead last. However, we're not and you can complain that they've been shootout wins and its because of Lundqvist. But, the bottom line is we're not in last, and the team has not played well. It's the system not the players.

n8 01-09-2009 12:22 AM

I wanted to sign Kurt Sauer. He is a solid defensive d-man (19th in 2008 Rod Langway Awards #22 so far this year) and is building on that success this year in Phoneix. I remember when he was on the Ducks team that lost to the Devils in the Stanley Cup Finals. He was a monster back then, disappeared a bit after that (not sure why) and has made his return. He should have been signed immediately after we lost out on Orpik.

ChrisKreider20 01-09-2009 12:24 AM

a coaching change is due.
an offensive system would bring out creativity and the best of our signings.
pearn, renney,

pelino, allaire stay

i'd even consider an international coach.

we want cup 01-09-2009 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYRfan68 (Post 17237708)
i'd even consider an international coach.

Let's get Nemchinov in here! :D

NYR Sting 01-09-2009 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImmortalRanger (Post 17236616)
the entire senators TEAM was horrible last year and ugh last i checked the year before they went to the cup finals :sarcasm:

And yet their fans wanted HIM gone, even right after they went to the finals. Wonder why? Maybe because he's a passionless player who plays without urgency and without heart.

I love how the Rangers try to pass that off as poise. That's ********. He routinely gets beat to loose pucks. He gets caught up ice way too often. He hasn't done squat to improve the power play. You can say that that's on the coaching staff, and part of it certainly is. But part of it is on him (and Gomez and everyone else, too).

He does nothing well. He is mediocre at practically every aspect of the game. And we're stuck with him, because no one is going to want to pay $6.5 million for 5 years for a guy that is completely average.


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