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chaosof99* 01-15-2009 09:14 PM

Where is the offensive effort?
 
I think something terrible is happening since the christmas break. We only have 20 goals in 10 games played since then. The GAA for opposing goaltenders is 1.95 against the Flyers in that period.

Yes, we had a ton of injuries, but the key offensive weapons we have, Richards and Carter missed not a single game in that time. But overall, the offensive effort has been lacking which is probably the main reason we lost the games against Pittsburgh and now Tampa.

And the problem is not that we lack in secondary scoring, but our primary scoring is nowhere to be found. Gags hasn't scored a goal in almost a month and has only two assists since the christmas break. Richards only two goals and four assists in the 10 games since christmas. Carter also only two goals and five assists since Christmas.

I also noticed that no matter whether were taking the lead or are playing behind, not even necessarily tying the game with it, but the team steps off the gas when it scored a goal.

I really hope Brière will change something about that when he is back. Giroux looked great in the first period against Tampa and I'd really like to keep him on Richards wing.


Line Combos after Brière's return that I'd put on the ice (note that none of them are designated 1, 2 or 3. Only the fourth line is the fourth line):
Hartnell - Carter - Lupul
Gagné - Brière - Knuble
Upshall - Richards - Giroux
Cote - Metropolit - Asham

mm6492 01-15-2009 09:15 PM

Those lines seem fine. The main problem with all lines is there is only 1 Gagne to go between Briere and Richards :)

Raffl House 01-15-2009 09:20 PM

Brought it up several times in several times. They skate in on a horizontal line, if they make it in the zone at all. There is no 3rd man high. Any type of disruption to the play means:

ZERO sustained offensive pressure

AND

Most likely...a rush coming back our way

TheDrizzle81 01-15-2009 09:21 PM

Id hate to break up the olde city line, but Richards needs a sniper, and Lupul is a sniper. Unless Briere flys on the wing with Gags and Richie.Girioux with Carts and Harts has my ears perked.

Gags Richie Lupul
Harts Carts Claude
Upshall Briere Knuble
Cote Metro Asham

JXC 01-15-2009 10:18 PM

What the heck does Richards need a sniper for when he's lollygagging around half the time and turning the puck over half the time?

Very few players go full tilt for the whole season. Guys lose their mental edge and physical sharpness as well from time to time. Even veterans.

All three of 12-18-22 are off track. 17 and 15 look okay, but they are saddled with that dunce 19. Beyond that there is no punch.

Some teams defend through such slumps but the Flyers have neither the blue line nor the keeper to do that.

So we suffer until the edge comes back.

Miss Mess 01-15-2009 10:19 PM

thank god danny is almost back

TheKingPin 01-15-2009 10:22 PM

dont have time to read and respond but im sure the reason we arnt scoring is because we dont work down low anymore. Everyone kept calling us a offensive dynamo team, so we started playing like that. Trying the pretty plays, trying the nice passes. There is a reason why the 4th line has been our best for the past 3 games or so. They work hard down low and get their chances. That is also the reason we have gotten like 1 PP a game recently. NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH!!!!!

JXC 01-15-2009 10:26 PM

Quote:

dont have time to read and respond but im sure the reason we arnt scoring is because we dont work down low anymore. Everyone kept calling us a offensive dynamo team, so we started playing like that.
Wow, that's a great point - the grit, the ire, the sweat - it's gone.

flyersjamminontheone 01-15-2009 10:48 PM

last two posts sum it up nicely. we are way too easy to play against. Does anybody else get sick of other teams star/slumping players lighting us up? Maybe we need a designated shut down guy (ahem-richie-cough) like Primeau. its not like he wouldn't get scoring chances.

PhillyFan4Ever 01-15-2009 10:50 PM

The goal in hockey is to score a lot of goals
Soccer, is played on a field, where you score goals
Field Goals are what you score in basketball when you go on a run.
Runs are what you score in baseball, which is played on a field
Field Goals are also scored in football when you can't score a touchdown which is the main goal
So, If you score a lot of goals in hockey you've achieved your goal of scoring a lot goals and THAT'S your main goal.

chaosof99* 01-16-2009 03:21 AM

I thought the goal in hockey was those rectangular red pipes with a net attached to it on one side :sarcasm:

turkinaa 01-16-2009 09:38 AM

I'm still liking the production from Harts, Carter, and Lupul, however, I think that Hartnell is not looking where hes passing the puck and turning it a lot more now (like Richards has been doing). Lupul has 2 goals in 2 games and Knuble has 1. This is going to become a problem because it affects our PP and even strength ability to score goals. Hopefully Danny Phantom Briere will give the PP a kick start (you know, once our cap allows for him to come back).

Maybe everything is just mental to them. I looked over the scores in Jan so far and our best production was against the Ducks and the Leafs followed by the Wild. In those 3 games we scored 11 goals and won a shootout. In the other 4 games we scored 5 goals and lost 2 shootouts. Some games have been close while others haven't. Now if we continue to slide after the all-star break, we'll be in trouble.

mikedifr 01-16-2009 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chaosof99 (Post 17371676)
I think something terrible is happening since the christmas break. We only have 20 goals in 10 games played since then. The GAA for opposing goaltenders is 1.95 against the Flyers in that period.

Yes, we had a ton of injuries, but the key offensive weapons we have, Richards and Carter missed not a single game in that time. But overall, the offensive effort has been lacking which is probably the main reason we lost the games against Pittsburgh and now Tampa.

And the problem is not that we lack in secondary scoring, but our primary scoring is nowhere to be found. Gags hasn't scored a goal in almost a month and has only two assists since the christmas break. Richards only two goals and four assists in the 10 games since christmas. Carter also only two goals and five assists since Christmas.

I also noticed that no matter whether were taking the lead or are playing behind, not even necessarily tying the game with it, but the team steps off the gas when it scored a goal.

I really hope Brière will change something about that when he is back. Giroux looked great in the first period against Tampa and I'd really like to keep him on Richards wing.


Line Combos after Brière's return that I'd put on the ice (note that none of them are designated 1, 2 or 3. Only the fourth line is the fourth line):
Hartnell - Carter - Lupul
Gagné - Brière - Knuble
Upshall - Richards - Giroux
Cote - Metropolit - Asham

Havent read through this thread yet, but it is basically the same issue as last year....This team is typically feast or famine.....One or two lines get super hot and they win like 10 straight, those lines cool off and we cant win a game.

This team needs to figure out how to win games without getting 3 pp goals, or without some line going nuts.....Its called consistent even strength production, something we havent seen from this team this season or last season.....

CanadianFlyer88 01-16-2009 02:16 PM

I would say the effort in the last two games has been pretty offensive, actually.....

LEIFey 01-16-2009 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedifr (Post 17383333)
Havent read through this thread yet, but it is basically the same issue as last year....This team is typically feast or famine.....One or two lines get super hot and they win like 10 straight, those lines cool off and we cant win a game.

This team needs to figure out how to win games without getting 3 pp goals, or without some line going nuts.....Its called consistent even strength production, something we havent seen from this team this season or last season.....

gah, your avvie looks like...a normal person!

i've liked what i've seen of upshall in the past few games. he hasn't really lit things up, but the effort is definitely there. maybe reward his hardwork and set an example?

Opus 01-16-2009 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianFlyer88 (Post 17383382)
I would say the effort in the last two games has been pretty offensive, actually.....

Well played Sir.

mikedifr 01-16-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LEIFey (Post 17383421)
gah, your avvie looks like...a normal person!

i've liked what i've seen of upshall in the past few games. he hasn't really lit things up, but the effort is definitely there. maybe reward his hardwork and set an example?

That is cause the picture is terrible....I need to find a good one, but it is hard to find one of her with clothes on that I can post here :D

And I dont think she is normal at all.....she might be #1 for me now....smokin hot!!!!

mm6492 01-16-2009 02:37 PM

Powe has looked good ou there, I want to see him on the 4th line if he keeps putting in effort like that. Even if that means cote isn't playing

And I am a huge Cote fan

LEIFey 01-16-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedifr (Post 17383567)
That is cause the picture is terrible....I need to find a good one, but it is hard to find one of her with clothes on that I can post here :D

And I dont think she is normal at all.....she might be #1 for me now....smokin hot!!!!

well, she is certainly...well endowed. what's her name?

mikedifr 01-16-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LEIFey (Post 17384181)
well, she is certainly...well endowed. what's her name?

Sunny Leone.....adult film star

Some great pictures on prestonandsteve.com, you have to scroll down on their main page to find the link

She is going to be a Club Risque tonight on Delaware Ave......I am so mad I cant go, I have to have dinner with the wife :(

LEIFey 01-16-2009 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedifr (Post 17384303)
Sunny Leone.....adult film star

Some great pictures on prestonandsteve.com, you have to scroll down on their main page to find the link

She is going to be a Club Risque tonight on Delaware Ave......I am so mad I cant go, I have to have dinner with the wife :(

oh that name does sound familiar. you could always ditch the wife. or just take her to dinner at the club:)


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