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GIN ANTONIC 01-19-2009 11:38 PM

Shanahan vs. Sundin
 
Poster made a sarcastic comment in the "Shanahan scores in first game back thread" that Shanny > Sundin :sarcasm:. Got me wondering. Who had the better career/was the better hockey player. I'll make a bunch of options so we can get a good feel for it.

You can vote multiple options, so if you think Sundin had the better career but lower peak, but was overall better than vote those two options. If you think Shanny had the better career, lower peak but was overall better than vote those two options... or any combination of that.

I think this will be interesting.

Gil Gunderson 01-19-2009 11:39 PM

It's kind of pointless to ask who had the better career.

IBLeaf* 01-19-2009 11:40 PM

Sundin. No doubt.

Peter Griffin 01-19-2009 11:42 PM

Shanny. 650+ goals compared to Sundin's 557+. Won three Stanley cups to Sundin's obvious zero. Also just one of 5 players to be a member of the "Quad Gold Club"(Stanley cup, Olympic Gold, Canada Cup Gold, World Championship Gold). Although it's not completely fair to knock Sundin as he hasn't had anywhere close to the level of teammates that Shanny had in Detroit.

nautikal 01-19-2009 11:43 PM

Sundin has the roughly the same amount of points in 180 less games, but Shanahan has more goals and has won 3 cups. Shanahan.

GIN ANTONIC 01-19-2009 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nautikal (Post 17447723)
Sundin has the roughly the same amount of points in 180 less games, but Shanahan has more goals and has won 3 cups. Shanahan.

Points aren't everything though and while sundin was physical, Shanny is one of the best power forwards of his generation. So much clutch and grit to that guy. Don't see that on the stat sheet.

Spawn 01-19-2009 11:52 PM

Shanahan has had the more successful career, but part of that obviously has to do with playing for the Wings for so many years.

Shanny will likely finish the season 11th in all time games played, and has an outside shot at catching Robitaille for 10th all time in goals for.

Sundin in his prime probably a better hockey player, but he didn't have the opportunity to play on the best team of the past 15 years.

nautikal 01-19-2009 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRAINIAC (Post 17447775)
Points aren't everything though and while sundin was physical, Shanny is one of the best power forwards of his generation. So much clutch and grit to that guy. Don't see that on the stat sheet.

Which is why I said Shanny.

DG 01-20-2009 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Griffin (Post 17447710)
Although it's not completely fair to knock Sundin as he hasn't had anywhere close to the level of teammates that Shanny had in Detroit.

Not to mention, that of all of those teams, was he really the main guy that led his team to those Cups? Or was he a complementary guy? I think we all know the answer.

Especially, as you say, that Sundin never had the same kind of supporting cast. However, any success the Leafs have ever had over the past decade was based heavily on Mats' success.

BadHammy* 01-20-2009 12:10 AM

I think it's so close to equal I didn't vote...

Burnaby_Joe* 01-20-2009 12:33 AM

Shanny

arrbez 01-20-2009 12:45 AM

I think Shanahan is somewhat overrated as an offensive player. Him being the "missing piece" to the championship puzzle in Detroit certainly has merit, but I'm not entirely convinced he's the type of guy who could be the focal point of an offense to the extent that Sundin was. If you're building a team from scratch, I think Sundin is the pick.

MLSE 01-20-2009 02:18 AM

Shanny, not cuz he's better (which he was) but because he scored the last goal.

"HF where flavours change daily"

El Maestro 01-20-2009 03:44 AM

Shanahan.

kyle evs48 01-20-2009 08:11 AM

Shahahahahanahan

abe jr 01-20-2009 08:13 AM

shanny

Habs 4 Life 01-20-2009 08:29 AM

Shanahan and he will also have a better 2nd half then Sundin

PTmbp13 01-20-2009 08:32 AM

likém both very much, and i dont vote:handclap:

PTmbp13 01-20-2009 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Griffin (Post 17447710)
Shanny. 650+ goals compared to Sundin's 557+. Won three Stanley cups to Sundin's obvious zero. Also just one of 5 players to be a member of the "Quad Gold Club"(Stanley cup, Olympic Gold, Canada Cup Gold, World Championship Gold). Although it's not completely fair to knock Sundin as he hasn't had anywhere close to the level of teammates that Shanny had in Detroit.

well canada cup is never a contest. It meant Canada shall win that. That wont count outside canada. that much i can say.

Sundin is a great leader and can score points,but shanahan is shanny.
Nah can´t decide. no vote

CrosbyCrosby* 01-20-2009 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life (Post 17450161)
Shanahan and he will also have a better 2nd half then Sundin

nope

Myshkin* 01-20-2009 10:58 AM

Anyone who says Sundin :help:

Quote:

Shanahan has had the more successful career, but part of that obviously has to do with playing for the Wings for so many years.
You realize he was scoring 50 goals a season before he joined the Wings, right. His individual stats probably went down due to being on the Wings, and he was exactly the type of player that put them over the top.

like someone else said he's one of the best, if not the best, power forwards of his generation, and he's a Champion at every level.

Shoalzie 01-20-2009 11:30 AM

Sundin will go down with more fanfare but I'd go to war with Shanny on my side. He was part of 3 championships in Detroit and was arguably the missing piece that the Wings had been without through their prior failures in the mid-90s. Both guys are great favorites of mine but I'd take Shanny in his prime and what he brings to a team from a leadership and toughness standpoint.

Harrison Ford 01-20-2009 01:03 PM

Shanahan, and its not very close career wise.

HockeyThoughts 01-20-2009 01:12 PM

Shanahan is just plain better.

Peak? Probably:
93/94 - 52goals -102pts, 1st team all star on StL.

Career?
2 1st Team All Stars
Member of the Quad Gold Club
3 Stanley Cups
59G-131pts in 177 P/O GP
651G-1341pts in 1491GP

Those are some ridiculous stats.

vippe 01-20-2009 01:20 PM

I think you could have added one more options

Better peak but worse career.

Sundin was the better player at his peak but Shanahan obviously had a better career


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