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Habman 02-03-2009 10:06 AM

Trading from a position of stregnth
 
Hey guys and Gals

The last few years i have become more and more frustrated with trading and I think the habs have made one mistake. The last few years we have had good seasons and at points in each year have been great. Even when we are great we all know what the teams weaknesses are, so I am assuming so do the coaches and BG.
I have always felt that when they are playing well is the time to trade because they are not desperate. I think we should have traded when we were on our ;ast hot streak. I mean lets say we BG is interested in Vinny....... I think the price just went up with the loss of Lang by quite a bit because they know we are desperate. I am not one to trade just to trade but what are your guys thoughts about the timing of trades. Trading when winning rather than trading when cold...


My opinion is that it is the perfect time for the Boston Bruins to make a trade for example, they are playing great and people know they are not desperate?


Thoughts


Habman

Dutchy 02-03-2009 10:10 AM

You're usually trading in order to fill a need. When you're winning on a consistent basis (I.E. like the Bruins have been doing as of late), you don't have any glaring need. Making a trade and disrupting the locker room's chemistry can come back and bite you hard on the ass.

Habman 02-03-2009 10:13 AM

Yeah I understand that. but every team has areas they can be better, I am just saying that trading when you are playing poorly like we are right now is not easy to make a fair trade, I dont think. Maybe Boston is a bad example becasue they have only lost 8 games but say Montreal when they are playing well, trading then when weakness are obvious is a better move than waiting when we are losing and people will gouge us..


Habman

BJG 02-03-2009 10:14 AM

Why, when they are crushing the conference (13 points ahead of #2 Devils and 16 points ahead of the Habs:amazed:), would the Bruins make any moves? Where do they need to improve? In net, with their league-leading in save % goalie? With their league-leading balance scoring, or their physical, stifling defence? Just curious.

Bullsmith 02-03-2009 10:14 AM

The new CBA has managed to pretty much kill off major trades during the season, with the exception of deadline rental deals for players heading for UFA. Other than the Richards trade, which was indeed pretty major, what other big moves have there been in the last few years that happened during the season? Nothing against Craig Rivet, but he's not exactly a franchise player and yet his trade was far and away the biggest deal we've made in-season.

Habman 02-03-2009 10:17 AM

I already said Boston was a bad example


do you think it is better for Montreal to trade when playing well rather than poorly.

habman

couz 02-03-2009 10:18 AM

People praise BG for his patience but at times patience backfires, this is true in many aspects of life.

Habs10Habs 02-03-2009 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habman (Post 17693336)
Yeah I understand that. but every team has areas they can be better, I am just saying that trading when you are playing poorly like we are right now is not easy to make a fair trade, I dont think. Maybe Boston is a bad example becasue they have only lost 8 games but say Montreal when they are playing well, trading then when weakness are obvious is a better move than waiting when we are losing and people will gouge us..


Habman

I see what you mean Habman, but I agree with Dutchy. When things are going well, the last thing you want to do is mess with the teams chemistry.

Also injuries happen, there was no way for Gainey to predict that we would be hit this hard.

Without the injuries we have a very solid team. That just needed a few tweaks here and there.

Habman 02-03-2009 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Habs10Habs (Post 17693404)
I see what you mean Habman, but I agree with Dutchy. When things are going well, the last thing you want to do is mess with the teams chemistry.

Also injuries happen, there was no way for Gainey to predict that we would be hit this hard.

Thanks for the input guys, I think I am just frustrated because 2 weeks ago this team was playing great but we all knew the weakness that had to be filled now those weaknesses are exposed more with untimely injuries and I FEEL it is going to be much harder to fill them now and not get gutted

Habman

Kriss E 02-03-2009 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habman (Post 17693255)
Hey guys and Gals

The last few years i have become more and more frustrated with trading and I think the habs have made one mistake. The last few years we have had good seasons and at points in each year have been great. Even when we are great we all know what the teams weaknesses are, so I am assuming so do the coaches and BG.
I have always felt that when they are playing well is the time to trade because they are not desperate. I think we should have traded when we were on our ;ast hot streak. I mean lets say we BG is interested in Vinny....... I think the price just went up with the loss of Lang by quite a bit because they know we are desperate. I am not one to trade just to trade but what are your guys thoughts about the timing of trades. Trading when winning rather than trading when cold...


My opinion is that it is the perfect time for the Boston Bruins to make a trade for example, they are playing great and people know they are not desperate?


Thoughts


Habman

First off, we had 1 good seasons in the past few years, last season. Other than that, we haven't been that good.

Second, we don't know what when on with the Vinny situation.

Third of all, you don't trade for the fun of it, you do it to fill up a need. Can you tell me the need the Bruins, or Sharks for that matter, have right now?..

Finally, if we look at the teams that went after the big names these past years, they weren't desperate. Pittsburgh and Dallas were part of the best teams.

BG would also put an ''X'' on this season before selling out the farm, because he knows it wouldn't help us long term, which is more important.

22Brad Park 02-03-2009 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habman (Post 17693255)
Hey guys and Gals

The last few years i have become more and more frustrated with trading and I think the habs have made one mistake. The last few years we have had good seasons and at points in each year have been great. Even when we are great we all know what the teams weaknesses are, so I am assuming so do the coaches and BG.
I have always felt that when they are playing well is the time to trade because they are not desperate. I think we should have traded when we were on our ;ast hot streak. I mean lets say we BG is interested in Vinny....... I think the price just went up with the loss of Lang by quite a bit because they know we are desperate. I am not one to trade just to trade but what are your guys thoughts about the timing of trades. Trading when winning rather than trading when cold...


My opinion is that it is the perfect time for the Boston Bruins to make a trade for example, they are playing great and people know they are not desperate?


Thoughts


Habman

it takes a great GM to do what you are saying.I agree with u though.Almost every Cup winnner adds a piece at deadline.Your way its cheaper.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kriss E (Post 17693477)
First off, we had 1 good seasons in the past few years, last season. Other than that, we haven't been that good.

Second, we don't know what when on with the Vinny situation.

Third of all, you don't trade for the fun of it, you do it to fill up a need. Can you tell me the need the Bruins, or Sharks for that matter, have right now?..

Finally, if we look at the teams that went after the big names these past years, they weren't desperate. Pittsburgh and Dallas were part of the best teams.

BG would also put an ''X'' on this season before selling out the farm, because he knows it wouldn't help us long term, which is more important.

i can,,, a replacement for Marco Sturms production for one and or a top 3 d man to help with puck movement which is always harder in playoffs.

sgupca 02-03-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutchy (Post 17693297)
You're usually trading in order to fill a need. When you're winning on a consistent basis (I.E. like the Bruins have been doing as of late), you don't have any glaring need. Making a trade and disrupting the locker room's chemistry can come back and bite you hard on the ass.

Exactly....

example: Sundin


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