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KING 03-10-2004 10:32 AM

Rangers big winners at trade deadline
 
http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/story/7158595
New York Rangers: A strange choice? Perhaps, until you consider how effective the Rangers were in getting rid of so much salary. And actually getting a pretty good return. New York GM Glen Sather has been blowing up his roster for the past 10 days, getting rid of every high-priced veteran he had a buyer for. In the early stages, he was getting mainly mid-level prospects and drafts pick, but Tuesday he scored a very good young defenseman with a few NHL seasons under his belt in Karel Rachunek and R.J. Umberger, a recent first-round draft choice who is finishing his high-scoring career at Ohio State and should be ready to step into the NHL. Sather also picked up David Liffiton, a highly touted young defenseman from Colorado in the Barnaby deal. And Sather sent away more than $30 million in player salaries, leaving the Rangers in a much better position to deal with the next CBA.

KING 03-10-2004 10:35 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...m-grades_x.htm
New York Rangers C-: They did a decent job of dumping salaries, but doesn't the crazy decision to add Jaromir Jagr negate that? They did acquire a couple of interesting prospects.

True Blue 03-10-2004 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SatherExecutioner
That is really clueless, we got Jagr when we were still in the playoff hunt and besides, Caps are eating big chunk of his salary.

We were already something like 8 points out of the 8th spot at the time of the trade. And it makes no difference that the Caps are eating a portion's of Jagr's contract. He will still count the full $11m against any type of cap.

Burberry Manning 03-10-2004 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by True Blue
We were already something like 8 points out of the 8th spot at the time of the trade. And it makes no difference that the Caps are eating a portion's of Jagr's contract. He will still count the full $11m against any type of cap.

any cap would be grandfathered in so it wouldnt matter

True Blue 03-10-2004 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bleeding blue
any cap would be grandfathered in so it wouldnt matter

If there is not hard cap, but a luxury tax, there will be no grandfathering. If there is a hard cap, grandfathering is still not guaranteed.

Gamma82 03-10-2004 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by True Blue
We were already something like 8 points out of the 8th spot at the time of the trade. And it makes no difference that the Caps are eating a portion's of Jagr's contract. He will still count the full $11m against any type of cap.

How do you know what the new CBA will look like. It seems you know something that no one else does. It may end up that the total salary counts against the Rangers, but is just as easy to see it being that only the portion that the Rangers are responsible for would count against the Rangers.

Also, are we talking about a hard cap, or a luxury tax? Are teams going to be allowed to resign their own players to go over the cap like the NBA? No one knows what the specifics are going to be until the CBA is actually hammered out.

Larry Melnyk 03-10-2004 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by True Blue
If there is not hard cap, but a luxury tax, there will be no grandfathering. If there is a hard cap, grandfathering is still not guaranteed.

If there's a luxury tax, just like the Yankees, it won't matter to the Rangers...But, you are right, who knows what the result will be

Pipo 03-10-2004 01:51 PM

with the exception of leetch and devries, what contracts did we actually dump?... aren't all those players free agents at years' end?...

kazo 03-10-2004 02:02 PM

If it turns out to be a simple a luxury tax, this could be settled by July. the big hangup is that Bettman and the owners want cost certainty (ie salary cap). they will fight for that tooth and nail abd the players are just as vehemently opposed.

ddheyman 03-10-2004 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by True Blue
We were already something like 8 points out of the 8th spot at the time of the trade. And it makes no difference that the Caps are eating a portion's of Jagr's contract. He will still count the full $11m against any type of cap.

How do you know this? Not trying to be critical, but I haven't seen either the new CBA or where it says there will even be a "hard cap". Until we see what is negotiated I believe speculating on 11MM vs. 6MM is kind of futile.

True Blue 03-10-2004 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ddheyman
How do you know this? Not trying to be critical, but I haven't seen either the new CBA or where it says there will even be a "hard cap". Until we see what is negotiated I believe speculating on 11MM vs. 6MM is kind of futile.

How do I know? Becuase I have every other major sports to use as an example. All of those sports have either luxury tax or a cap (hard or soft). And in ALL of them, the team who is having the player play for them is resopnsible for ALL of his salary as far as it counting against the cap.

DownFromNJ 03-10-2004 06:01 PM

NY is in a good position to rebuild. They can build around Jagr and Holik, and after next season Blackburn. They have 3 1st round picks right? They got some nice prospects in return for their players, and dumped half their salary.


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