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Flapjack* 02-27-2009 01:51 PM

Brent Seabrook
 
Let the Seabrook rumors begin

Rumor has it in Chicago the Whitney trade opens up the door for the much anticipated Staal for Seabs trade to actually look like more than a message board speculation, and more of a possibility.

Seabrook is out there, and has been reported on CTL on comcast for over a month by the beat writers that follow the Hawks.
The Hawks depth at centre makes this more and more a possibility.

These are two of the most over hyped trade chips in recent memory with fans from both sides beliving both to fetch more than they might possibly be worth, considering cap restrictions.

What this does for;

Hawks- Gives them balance down the middle, with a player who could possibly give the Hawks three of the best defensive centres in the league.Making three balanced scoring lines with defensive responsability good enough to cover up for the weak, weak defensive players the Hawks do have (Kane, Campbell)

Penguins- Gives them a tough defenseman who could move into the top pairing effortlessly, providing grit and a decent shot on the power play.Special teams suddenly upgrade with Seabs on the PK.And a respected leader in the dressing room.

99 steps 02-27-2009 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flapjack (Post 18211664)
Let the Seabrook rumors begin

Rumor has it in Chicago the Whitney trade opens up the door for the much anticipated Staal for Seabs trade to actually look like more than a message board speculation, and more of a possibility.

Seabrook is out there, and has been reported on CTL on comcast for over a month by the beat writers that follow the Hawks.
The Hawks depth at centre makes this more and more a possibility.

These are two of the most over hyped trade chips in recent memory with fans from both sides beliving both to fetch more than they might possibly be worth, considering cap restrictions.

What this does for;

Hawks- Gives them balance down the middle, with a player who could possibly give the Hawks three of the best defensive centres in the league.Making three balanced scoring lines with defensive responsability good enough to cover up for the weak, weak defensive players the Hawks do have (Kane, Campbell)

Penguins- Gives them a tough defenseman who could move into the top pairing effortlessly, providing grit and a decent shot on the power play.Special teams suddenly upgrade with Seabs on the PK.And a respected leader in the dressing room.

The Hawks need Seabrook more than you think. Staal is certainly a good return, but I'd like to see Seabrook in a Hawks uniform for many years to come.

MrSerious 02-27-2009 01:59 PM

This rumour came up last year at the deadline and never happened and I doubt it happens this year. Without Seabrook, Chicago's defense becomes softer than a Swedish elite league teams defense.

Flapjack* 02-27-2009 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 99 steps (Post 18211790)
The Hawks need Seabrook more than you think. Staal is certainly a good return, but I'd like to see Seabrook in a Hawks uniform for many years to come.


Considering the depth the Hawks do have on defense, and very little down the middle, the Hawks have no choice but to give up quality to get quality.

Staal makes the Hawks a better team.
Seabs makes Pitt better

massivegoonery 02-27-2009 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flapjack (Post 18211664)
Seabrook is out there, and has been reported on CTL on comcast for over a month by the beat writers that follow the Hawks.

[citation needed]

Zim 02-27-2009 02:01 PM

I'd rather have Seabrook over Staal. Seabrook and Keith make for a very good 1st d-pairing. Seabrook is also Chicago's most physical defenceman and on a d-corps with two small not very physical guys like Keith and Campbell that physicality is important.

Flapjack* 02-27-2009 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSerious (Post 18211892)
This rumour came up last year at the deadline and never happened and I doubt it happens this year. Without Seabrook, Chicago's defense becomes softer than a Swedish elite league teams defense.

Wiz, Walker and Barker wave from the penalty box.

Flapjack* 02-27-2009 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massivegoonery (Post 18211941)
[citation needed]


Chicago Tribune Live on Comcast.

Its on daily, you should check it out, its one of the only shows that actually talk Hawk hockey on a frequent basis, you might like it....alot

Zim 02-27-2009 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flapjack (Post 18211971)
Wiz, Walker and Barker wave from the penalty box.

Seabrook has the most hits per game of any Hawks d-man by a fairly comfortable margin. Seabrook averages 2.44 hits per game, Wisniewski (the next closest) averages 1.64 hits per game. Barker averages 1.2 and Walker averages under a hit a game. Seabrook also leads the Hawks in blocked shots by 19 over Keith (who has played 5 less games).

99 steps 02-27-2009 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flapjack (Post 18211913)
Considering the depth the Hawks do have on defense, and very little down the middle, the Hawks have no choice but to give up quality to get quality.

Staal makes the Hawks a better team.
Seabs makes Pitt better

Or, they could keep Seabrook, trade for a lesser center (i.e. Pahlsson, Laperierre, Cullen, Brind'amour), and sign a better one in the offseason with Khabi's contract off the books.

plank 02-27-2009 02:12 PM

I don't know where you heard "Seabrook is out there". I haven't seen that on comcast or in the papers. As far as Staal for Seabrook, I think it's close to even on value.

Captain Hook 02-27-2009 02:14 PM

It's fair. It's more of a secondary need for the Pens though.

#2 Need is probably another tough D-Man to go with Orpik. Brooks is all alone back there in that regard.

But the #1 Need is still a top line winger. Keeping and offering Staal + down the road is probably what it'll take to get 1 of those.

Howard35 02-27-2009 02:26 PM

Trading seabrook would be a step backwards for chicago

warriorspikes51* 02-27-2009 02:32 PM

To CHI: Tim Connolly, Tim Kennedy or Tallinder, 1st round pick
To BUF: Seabrook , Prospect

Teemu 02-27-2009 02:40 PM

The same fake rumor you were trying to convince us of a month or two ago, Flapjack?

Anyway, Seabrook's one of those players who has more value to us than he would fetch in a trade. While he may not be a bona fied #1 D-man on his own, he's the other half of one of the top 3 shutdown pairings in the NHL. He and Keith read each other perfectly on the ice.

Piffle 02-27-2009 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flapjack (Post 18211913)
Considering the depth the Hawks do have on defense, and very little down the middle, the Hawks have no choice but to give up quality to get quality.

Staal makes the Hawks a better team.
Seabs makes Pitt better

I have yet to see a post of yours on this board that I agree with, and this one is no different. Trading Seabrook for Staal would make the Hawks a worse team than they are today.

And of course the Hawks have a choice. They have tons of wing prospects that are NHL quality that could be traded for Staal (or someone that is more of a third line guy, which would probably be a better idea). We could package Versteeg and a 1st and get Staal I'm sure, which I would hate but I'd rather do that than trade Seabrook. Seabrook is a big part of the identity of this team.

Blackhawkswincup 02-27-2009 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flapjack (Post 18211664)
Let the Seabrook rumors begin

Rumor has it in Chicago the Whitney trade opens up the door for the much anticipated Staal for Seabs trade to actually look like more than a message board speculation, and more of a possibility.

Seabrook is out there, and has been reported on CTL on comcast for over a month by the beat writers that follow the Hawks.
The Hawks depth at centre makes this more and more a possibility.

These are two of the most over hyped trade chips in recent memory with fans from both sides beliving both to fetch more than they might possibly be worth, considering cap restrictions.

What this does for;

Hawks- Gives them balance down the middle, with a player who could possibly give the Hawks three of the best defensive centres in the league.Making three balanced scoring lines with defensive responsability good enough to cover up for the weak, weak defensive players the Hawks do have (Kane, Campbell)

Penguins- Gives them a tough defenseman who could move into the top pairing effortlessly, providing grit and a decent shot on the power play.Special teams suddenly upgrade with Seabs on the PK.And a respected leader in the dressing room.

Interesting!

I thought you said a few weeks ago that the Hawks weren't covered by the media? Wouldn't this be a contradiction?

I haven't heard a thing about Seabrook being moved and if he is then our GM is an idiot.

Campbell is not that bad defensively, his speed allows him to get back and Kane has improved his defense ever since coach Q took over. Kane really doesn't hurt us defensively.

Hey flapjack is it still against the law to wear Hawks colors in Chicago? Remember according to you because of the gang violence wearing Hawks jersey's is against the law :laugh:

ReLyT 02-27-2009 04:26 PM

Seabrook is to valuable to the Hawks in my mind... id rather bargain hunt for a bandaid center until the offseason...

AlMo 02-27-2009 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flapjack (Post 18211664)
Let the Seabrook rumors begin

Rumor has it in Chicago the Whitney trade opens up the door for the much anticipated Staal for Seabs trade to actually look like more than a message board speculation, and more of a possibility.

Seabrook is out there, and has been reported on CTL on comcast for over a month by the beat writers that follow the Hawks.
The Hawks depth at centre makes this more and more a possibility.

These are two of the most over hyped trade chips in recent memory with fans from both sides beliving both to fetch more than they might possibly be worth, considering cap restrictions.

What this does for;

Hawks- Gives them balance down the middle, with a player who could possibly give the Hawks three of the best defensive centres in the league.Making three balanced scoring lines with defensive responsability good enough to cover up for the weak, weak defensive players the Hawks do have (Kane, Campbell)

Penguins- Gives them a tough defenseman who could move into the top pairing effortlessly, providing grit and a decent shot on the power play.Special teams suddenly upgrade with Seabs on the PK.And a respected leader in the dressing room.

So the Pens deal Whitney for Kunitz and Tangradi and then turn around and deal Staal for Seabrook? I like Seabrook alot better than Whitney but I don't see it happening. If Staal gets dealt, the Pens will acquire another top 6 winger imo.

AK 02-27-2009 04:35 PM

Versteeg comes back if Staal goes to Chicago.

vipernsx 02-27-2009 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zetterberg40 (Post 18212556)
Trading seabrook would be a step backwards for chicago

I agree, I wouldn't be in any rush to move this guy if I were Chicago.

Darkstar 02-27-2009 05:19 PM

The Hawks need Seabrook more than they need a player like Staal. Seabrook is solid defensively and has a very good contract. The Hawks just need a stopgap at center until Bolland is fully developed.

Crazy_Ike 02-27-2009 05:42 PM

I find trade proposals from someone who hates one of the teams involved rather interesting.

That said, I have no interest in moving Seabrook. The need for Staal is not THAT important.

salty justice 02-27-2009 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letang58 (Post 18215321)
Versteeg comes back if Staal goes to Chicago.

Seabrook has more value than Staal. Versteeg might right now too.

It makes no sense to trade the 3+ year D partner of our best dman on our top pairing for a #3C. There are plenty of good 3rd line centers available that could be had for picks, prospects, or money this summer.

I haven't seen Seabrook rumors anywhere.

wej20 02-27-2009 06:54 PM

why do you guys need Staal?,I thought Bolland was looking pretty good,Can't he be number 2 and then sign a veteran third liner maybe in the offseason?


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