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spjon25 03-08-2009 07:17 PM

Cage fit question
 
Hey all, had a question about a cage fitting on my helmet. Just picked up a new V10 helmet and a Bauer 9500 cage since I had read good reviews about it here. Now the problem that I am having is that it is not sliding all the way up into the J clips on the side of the helmet. Is this something I should be worried about. I bought a Large helmet and a large cage.

Also, how can I shave the chin cup down. I like the chin cup being on my helmet the way it is, and the 9500's chin cup is comfy. Seems like my chin is preventing the helmet from going all the way up. COuld this be the problem

Gracias folks

cptjeff 03-08-2009 07:22 PM

It doesn't need to go all the way up. And the Chin cup is dependent on what cage you buy. You say the 9500's chin cup is fine, why would you want to shave it down?

But not going up the the j clips is fine as long as it fits your face.

IniNew 03-08-2009 11:57 PM

Yeah, no shaving necessary. Just lengthen the side straps on the cage and everything should fit fine.

Headcoach 03-09-2009 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by IniNew (Post 18427724)
Yeah, no shaving necessary. Just lengthen the side straps on the cage and everything should fit fine.

And if you are concern about the "J" clips, just adjust them down.

Head coach

SyracuseBulldogs* 03-09-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cptjeff (Post 18424692)
It doesn't need to go all the way up. And the Chin cup is dependent on what cage you buy. You say the 9500's chin cup is fine, why would you want to shave it down?

But not going up the the j clips is fine as long as it fits your face.

False, the point of the J clips is to stop the cage from breaking your jaw when you get hit. The J clips should be adjusted so that the cage stops in them before it drives into your jaw/chin.

Crosbyfan 03-09-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Headcoach (Post 18429244)
And if you are concern about the "J" clips, just adjust them down.

Head coach

If the helmet in the area of the j clips is not at the same angle as the adjacent cage, any amount of normal adjusting may simply not work.

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Originally Posted by SyracuseBulldogs (Post 18432294)
False, the point of the J clips is to stop the cage from breaking your jaw when you get hit. The J clips should be adjusted so that the cage stops in them before it drives into your jaw/chin.

I'm not sure how effective they are at doing that, even when properly fitted. They probably reduce the blow to some extent.

Henrique Iglesias 03-09-2009 01:55 PM

The 9500 cage has a free floating chin cup, so it should be able to adjust to your face.

SyracuseBulldogs* 03-09-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crosbyfan (Post 18432530)
I'm not sure how effective they are at doing that, even when properly fitted. They probably reduce the blow to some extent.

If the cage and clips are adjusted properly they stop the cage from going any further in after contact.

Crosbyfan 03-09-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SyracuseBulldogs (Post 18433443)
If the cage and clips are adjusted properly they stop the cage from going any further in after contact.

They push on the helmet, which surely would fly off if not for the loading on the chin cup, so there is some spreading of the load but the clips seem secondary IMO.

spjon25 03-10-2009 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Headcoach (Post 18429244)
And if you are concern about the "J" clips, just adjust them down.

Head coach

The J Clips are already at the lowest position on the helmet.

When I played on Sunday I looked, and it seemed tha the cage was barely in the J clips at all (one side had an inch or two at least from being fully in the J clips.

The only reason I was wondering is cause I really don't want to get my chin torn up like some dude on another team who took a spill and the cage hit his jaw when he fell

GuitarAwesome 03-10-2009 09:26 AM

Seriously, I had my cage dislodged on a hit, and my chin was not a pretty sight. You need to make sure it's fit properly. If the clips are already at the bottom, I'm not sure what to tell you, perhaps try loosening the straps near the chin strap, and put the cup lower to get more of the cage into the clips?

cptjeff 03-10-2009 09:49 AM

What prevents the cage from coming dislodged is not the j clip. It's the chin cup and wearing the thing properly with straps tight.

SyracuseBulldogs* 03-10-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crosbyfan (Post 18434378)
They push on the helmet, which surely would fly off if not for the loading on the chin cup, so there is some spreading of the load but the clips seem secondary IMO.

If the helmet is sized properly and the straps tightened properly then there will be minimal contact and movement once the cage hits the J clip.They are specifically made to prevent the cage from going to far in, which can cause broken jaws. If they were secondary they would not waste the time or money on them.

Crosbyfan 03-11-2009 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SyracuseBulldogs (Post 18455798)
If the helmet is sized properly and the straps tightened properly then there will be minimal contact and movement once the cage hits the J clip.They are specifically made to prevent the cage from going to far in, which can cause broken jaws. If they were secondary they would not waste the time or money on them.

You may be right or not, and a lot of it must depend on the proper fit and adjustment, but I don't understand your thinking on that part. They seem pretty inexpensive for something that helps maintain alignment and transfers part of the blow to the helmet thus reducing some of the impact even if not primary.

When you get hit hard on the lower cage, say with a real solid shot with a shoulder or elbow, do you not feel it on the chin, through the chin cup? (Serious question because I may be underestimating their effect. I've paid more attention to the alignment and fit of the chin cup than the j clips)

SyracuseBulldogs* 03-11-2009 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Crosbyfan (Post 18467837)
You may be right or not, and a lot of it must depend on the proper fit and adjustment, but I don't understand your thinking on that part. They seem pretty inexpensive for something that helps maintain alignment and transfers part of the blow to the helmet thus reducing some of the impact even if not primary.

When you get hit hard on the lower cage, say with a real solid shot with a shoulder or elbow, do you not feel it on the chin, through the chin cup? (Serious question because I may be underestimating their effect. I've paid more attention to the alignment and fit of the chin cup than the j clips)

If your helmet is fit correctly the helmet should not move when you get hit and your chin should not be fitting snug on the chin cup.

IniNew 03-11-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SyracuseBulldogs (Post 18471963)
If your helmet is fit correctly the helmet should not move when you get hit and your chin should not be fitting snug on the chin cup.

Why wouldn't you want it to fit snuggly on the chin cup? That seems backwards. If your chin fits snuggly, instead of the chin cup being hit INTO your chin, it should spread the impact along the cup and lessen the impact on your chin, not too mention keep your helmet on. Think football helmets.

Then again, I'm from Texas and did grow up playing football so I may be wrong, but wearing my helmet with the chin strap and chin cup straps tighter felt much better for me.

huge* 03-11-2009 01:44 PM

cage? you russian.

/don cherry impression

cptjeff 03-11-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IniNew (Post 18473288)
Why wouldn't you want it to fit snuggly on the chin cup? That seems backwards. If your chin fits snuggly, instead of the chin cup being hit INTO your chin, it should spread the impact along the cup and lessen the impact on your chin, not too mention keep your helmet on. Think football helmets.

Then again, I'm from Texas and did grow up playing football so I may be wrong, but wearing my helmet with the chin strap and chin cup straps tighter felt much better for me.

No, you're right. Wearing it with the chin cup off the face is something that a lot of kids like to do because it's apparently more cool to have your cage flopping around then to have it protecting your face.

SyracuseBulldogs* 03-11-2009 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cptjeff (Post 18475807)
No, you're right. Wearing it with the chin cup off the face is something that a lot of kids like to do because it's apparently more cool to have your cage flopping around then to have it protecting your face.

Who said anything about the chin cup being off the face or the cage flopping around?

cptjeff 03-11-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SyracuseBulldogs (Post 18476693)
Who said anything about the chin cup being off the face or the cage flopping around?

Well, when it's not snug it's going to hang off the face. That's determined by gravity. Unless by snug you meant too tight and pressing hard against your face, in which case the phrase would be "too tight".

Snug but not tight is how a cage is supposed to fit.

SyracuseBulldogs* 03-12-2009 09:45 PM

Wow, splitting hairs a bit aren't you? Fine, you win the internet.:shakehead

greyraven8 03-20-2009 06:11 PM

was having the same problem with my jofa helmet. the j-clips were too high up for my cage and longer face.

made my own clips out of the strapping you use to hold up duct and furnace pipes.

cut a piece of material, doubled it over, filed the ends, painted it with a spray rust paint, put a helmet screw through the hole and attached to helmet; bent it in the right shape.

had it for many years (as you can see by the rust and lack of paint left).

http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/74/74/...1igtFXD_th.jpg

Headcoach 03-20-2009 06:38 PM

Well, depending on how much clearance you have where the cage mounts and swing up on the helmet, turn the clips upside down where the circle holder is up instead of down. This will bring the cage up about a half an inch.


Head coach


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