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All_blueandwhite 04-04-2009 09:15 PM

Backes
 
just like the title says, what would St.louis be looking for in exchange?

Zubrus Coffee Maker 04-04-2009 09:56 PM

with the streak he's on? probably alot

ArVeeDee 04-05-2009 12:42 AM

Why do Leafs fans make a topic like this whenever a player goes on a hot streak?

mcphllp 04-05-2009 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ArVeeDee (Post 18884401)
Why do Leafs fans make a topic like this whenever a player goes on a hot streak?

Why do you need to single out it as a "Leafs" thread? There are tons of threads about guys who get on hot streaks, not always made by leafs fans.

Prussian_Blue 04-05-2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by All_blueandwhite (Post 18880114)
Just like the title says, what would St. Louis be looking for in exchange?

More than anyone would be willing to pay...

Backes is a 30-goal scorer, a leader on and off the ice, probably this team's future captain, enormously popular in the community. Those guys don't come cheap.

P_B

Dr Quincy 04-05-2009 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by All_blueandwhite (Post 18880114)
just like the title says, what would St.louis be looking for in exchange?

Schenn, Pogge, Kaberle, Kulemin, Strahlman, Jimmy Hayes, Hanson and the Leafs 2009 #1

BillyShoe1721 04-05-2009 10:04 AM

Not kidding, Schenn

re5piration 04-05-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BiLLY_ShOE1721 (Post 18886728)
Not kidding, Schenn

Not kidding, Richards.

Regin 43* 04-05-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LeafYourLife (Post 18886845)
Not kidding, Richards.

Comparing Schenn and Backes to Richards is one of the stupidest things I have ever said. Richards is a point per game centre that is possibly the best leader in the game, he hits scores, dangles, passes, powerplay, kills penalties etc.

Schenn is a defensive defenseman.

Backes is a 30/30 right winger that hits and fights. He does have a lot of the same caracteristics as Richards... but he is not as good offensively and not as good of a leader.

Now for a proposal from edmonton....

O'sullivan, 2nd, Chorney for Backes?

A 40-50 point centre/winger a 2nd and a young D prospect for a 60 point grinder/leader?

BillyShoe1721 04-05-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LeafYourLife (Post 18886845)
Not kidding, Richards.

Hilarious.

RJ8812* 04-05-2009 10:42 AM

can STL even trade Backes? didnt they match an offer-sheet for him?

Frenzy1 04-05-2009 12:02 PM

As a Blues fan, I am not sure what type of point producer Backes is - Is he a legit 30g 30a guy or more of a 50 point player. But it goes beyond that, he takes faceoffs, will finish with 150+ hits, over 100 PIM and is a nasty player to play against.

He reminds me of Hartnell, but for the next two seasons (after this one - he is making 1.5 million less the Hartness). There is no reason for the Blues to trade him. 2.5 million for a guy who puts up the numbers he does, can play on the PP and PK....... Play center and wing.....

Ask yourself - why would they trade him? Who would replace what he brings to the team (powerforward)? And what do the Blues need?

Our prospect system has depth at all positions, though I would like to have a good young backup (Like Harding or another RFA/UFA that can fill in for the next year or two). Our d is pretty solid when healthy - and considering how patchworked it is and yet we are still in the playoff chase......

We will not have enough room in our lineup for the forwards - Eller, Sonne, and AP.

What do you offer the team for Backes that would make him expendable and fit the Blues needs?

From Toronto - you just don't have the pieces to make the Blues interested. This isn't knocking Schenn, but bringing him on will improve the depth - but just getting Brewer and EJ back will do that, plus the maturation of Junland.... , but really hurt the physical/goal scoring of this team.

As for the Edmonton offer, it doesn't address the team needs. Value wise it is fair, but.... doesn't improve our team. We have forwards like Suly. Chorney isn't needed on the back end with our depth. And the 2nd... adds nothing we don't already have in spades.

BillyShoe1721 04-05-2009 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 18887140)
can STL even trade Backes? didnt they match an offer-sheet for him?

I'm pretty sure they can trade him a year after the offer sheet was tendered.

Ace88* 04-05-2009 01:14 PM

Probably your first born son.

Randall Ritchey 04-05-2009 01:15 PM

Take what you would like to trade for him, add a 1st round pick and a top prospect.

That might do it.

AK 04-05-2009 01:30 PM

From the Leafs?

Stefanovich
Kulemin
1st

SteenMachine 04-05-2009 01:42 PM

I think it's safe to say he's untouchable for anything other than 1st line forward /top pairing D/ top 15 goalie as an overpayment because there isn't a better priced up and coming power forward out there, much less available to replace him.

All_blueandwhite 04-05-2009 05:31 PM

IMO Kaberle would definitely be on the table if a puckmoving D is what St.Louis is looking for. We can even take Mckee too even out the salaries more

Nunymare 04-05-2009 05:32 PM

One HELL of an overpayment.

shaolinson 04-05-2009 05:47 PM

looks like mike gillis was right in seeing something in him with that offer sheet. what a great player for the blues!

Attica 04-05-2009 08:08 PM

Buy low, Sell high.

You're doing it wrong.

Backes is worth about twice is actual on-ice value right now. There are many guys out there who've got one good season under their belt. Backes looks like a hell of a player, and I'm glad to see Mike Gillis saw that and made a move for him, but it's an Offer Sheet, so you can't feel bad the Blues matched it, they obviously also saw how good Backe was.

Right now, he could probably land another young gun of the same calibur and a decent 1st round pick. IMO Backes will be with the Blues for a long time, he's an excellent player, and the Blues see that.

Also, due to the Offer Sheet, Backes cannot be traded until July 1st.

vwg* 04-05-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LeafYourLife (Post 18886845)
Not kidding, Richards.

Richards >>> Schenn even if Schenn becomes one of the best defensive d-men in the league. Defensive d-men can only have so much value. Not sure what you were trying to accomplish with this post (I guess trying to be funny, but failed).. I just hope you weren't trying to compare Richards value to Schenn's. Maybe in Leafs homer land it's similar.

Frenzy1 04-05-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by All_blueandwhite (Post 18892519)
IMO Kaberle would definitely be on the table if a puckmoving D is what St.Louis is looking for. We can even take Mckee too even out the salaries more


Kaberle isn't what St. Louis is looking for because EJ and Brewer will be back with the team next season (and while EJ isn't Kaberle right now, he may surpass him in the next 3 seasons). The issues isn't even value - because Kaberle for Backes would be fair value - but what type of hole it will create in St. Louis. Backes is the closest thing we have to a PF beyond him is an aging Tkachuk (who at 36 isn't as effective).

We just don't have a player like him in the system - a true powerforward. We have goal scoring, playmaking, both offensive D and stay at home in the pipeline and on the team (granted the o d took a hit when EJ was lost for the season) - but nothing like a him that we could just plug into that role.

It is easy to find guys who will notch 150 hits and 100 pims.... but adding 20-30 goals on top of that - is much harder to find.

CCBC 04-07-2009 12:20 AM

Stop asking.

He's not going anywhere barring a VAST overpayment.

DarKarTs 04-07-2009 06:48 PM

STL: Ryder
Boston: Halak 2nd
Montreal: Backes

:sarcasm:


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