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Roulin 04-08-2009 12:21 PM

Linus Omark
 
Now that Omark has signed with Moscow, presumably because the Oilers didn't want to give him any guarantees, what would it take to acquire his rights? Have there been any trades involving comparable situations in recent history?

shadow1 04-08-2009 12:34 PM

Not much value. I'm sure someone would overpay for him, though; similarly to how the Oilers frantically tried to sign him after that shootout goal.

If they want the best return for him, they have to trade him asap.

Valic 04-08-2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow1 (Post 18939101)
Not much value. I'm sure someone would overpay for him, though; similarly to how the Oilers frantically tried to sign him after that shootout goal.

If they want the best return for him, they have to trade him asap.

You have no clue buddy.

The Oilers had spent all season watching Omark, and for months were in talks with Omark.

Oilers frantically tried to sign him after that goal? Okay sure, pretend you know what you are talking about.

IdealisticSniper 04-08-2009 02:17 PM

Harju rights for Omark rights... they are both worth the same now that they both chased the money and signed with the KHL...and thats basically nothing.

worstfaceoffmanever 04-08-2009 02:18 PM

I'd say a 3rd or 4th round pick is the most you'd get for him.

AlMo 04-08-2009 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by worstfaceoffmanever (Post 18940852)
I'd say a 3rd or 4th round pick is the most you'd get for him.

I wouldn't even give that. Shootout goals don't really impress. I'm sure he has some offensive flair but I see a big time fail if he comes across the Atlantic.

No one knew who Omark was until that exhibition game shootout goal.

Modo 04-08-2009 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMo (Post 18941001)
I wouldn't even give that. Shootout goals don't really impress. I'm sure he has some offensive flair but I see a big time fail if he comes across the Atlantic.

No one knew who Omark was until that exhibition game shootout goal.

Exactly.

And they've already got a one trick pony in Schremp, who no one's really lining up for, so I don't expect a bidding war for Omark.

The Vengabus 04-08-2009 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMo (Post 18941001)
I wouldn't even give that. Shootout goals don't really impress. I'm sure he has some offensive flair but I see a big time fail if he comes across the Atlantic.

No one knew who Omark was until that exhibition game shootout goal.

Anyone at all who follows prospects on a board called "Hockey's Future"?

This guy is a ppg player in the SEL at 21. The same league that Henrik Zetterberg went back to during the lockout at age 24, and put up marginally worse numbers than Omark did this season. The following year, Zetterberg put up 80+ in the NHL.

Here's the top ten scorers (points) in the SEL during the lockout year, a good year to compare NHL totals to SEL totals.

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1 Henrik Zetterberg Timra 50
2 Kristian Huselius Linkoping 49 
3 Shawn Horcoff Mora 46 
3 Mattias Weinhandl Modo 46 
5 Nils Ekman Djugardens 45 
6 Brendan Morrison Linkoping 44 
7 Niklas Andersson Vastra Frolunda 41 
8 Mike Knuble Linkoping 39
8 Marcus Nilson Djugardens 39 
8 Martin Pluss Vastra Frolunda 39
8 Peter Forsberg Modo 39

Omark had 55 points in 53 points this year at 21. He had 32 in 55 at 20. All year Edmonton fans were telling us how this kid was going to come over next year and be a big part of their offense, compete for the Calder, and be the most talented player in the NW. Now he's a 4th round nobody.

grabo84 04-08-2009 02:38 PM

Omark is awfully small. It doesn't mean it's impossible for him to have an impact over here, but it makes it a lot harder. Point totals aren't quite as important in that context.

The Big Swede 04-08-2009 02:38 PM

Crosby and Matt Cooke

Warren Piece 04-08-2009 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMo (Post 18941001)
No one knew who Omark was until that exhibition game shootout goal.

No one knew who the third highest scorer in the SEL as a 21 year old was?

Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean everyone else is.

blackcoffee 04-08-2009 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMo (Post 18941001)
I wouldn't even give that. Shootout goals don't really impress. I'm sure he has some offensive flair but I see a big time fail if he comes across the Atlantic.

No one knew who Omark was until that exhibition game shootout goal.

Others have already commented on this stupid post, but I'm going to comment again just to rub it in. The post was dumb and ignorant and is a reflection of yourself.

AlMo 04-08-2009 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killface (Post 18941164)
No one knew who the third highest scorer in the SEL as 21 year old was?

Just because you are ignorant doesn't mean everyone else is.

How am I being ignorant? If Omark is as good as his point totals suggest he should be playing with the Oilers today. I could care less if he third in points. Look at the SEL top scorers in general, you names like Hlinka, Sundstrom, Hlavac, Wallin, Davidsson, Bremberg all whom were drafted and some got to play in the NHL. At the end of the day, none of them could cut it so I am not about get excited over a player that is third in league scoring. Putting points on the board is not the only intangible that gets you to a successful NHL career.

Until Omark scored the "youtube" goal no one thought much of him, he received all his hype after that goal.

Don't call me ignorant again! You don't know me.

ViD 04-08-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

I wouldn't even give that. Shootout goals don't really impress. I'm sure he has some offensive flair but I see a big time fail if he comes across the Atlantic.
I like this scouting report based on watching 1 youtube video :laugh:

Valic 04-08-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMo (Post 18941307)
How am I being ignorant? If Omark is as good as his point totals suggest he should be playing with the Oilers today. I could care less if he third in points. Look at the SEL top scorers in general, you names like Hlinka, Sundstrom, Hlavac, Wallin, Davidsson, Bremberg all whom were drafted and some got to play in the NHL. At the end of the day, none of them could cut it so I am not about get excited over a player that is third in league scoring. Putting points on the board is not the only intangible that gets you to a successful NHL career.

Until Omark scored the "youtube" goal no one thought much of him, he received all his hype after that goal.

Don't call me ignorant again! You don't know me.

You are ignorant.

Look at the freaking ages of all those players, and think a little.

That youtube goal had NOTHING to do with the hype of Omark, check out the couple thousand posts on Omark in the Oilers forum before that shoot out goal was scored.

AlMo 04-08-2009 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Factorial (Post 18941145)
Anyone at all who follows prospects on a board called "Hockey's Future"?

This guy is a ppg player in the SEL at 21. The same league that Henrik Zetterberg went back to during the lockout at age 24, and put up marginally worse numbers than Omark did this season. The following year, Zetterberg put up 80+ in the NHL.

Here's the top ten scorers (points) in the SEL during the lockout year, a good year to compare NHL totals to SEL totals.

Code:

1 Henrik Zetterberg Timra 50
2 Kristian Huselius Linkoping 49 
3 Shawn Horcoff Mora 46 
3 Mattias Weinhandl Modo 46 
5 Nils Ekman Djugardens 45 
6 Brendan Morrison Linkoping 44 
7 Niklas Andersson Vastra Frolunda 41 
8 Mike Knuble Linkoping 39
8 Marcus Nilson Djugardens 39 
8 Martin Pluss Vastra Frolunda 39
8 Peter Forsberg Modo 39

Omark had 55 points in 53 points this year at 21. He had 32 in 55 at 20. All year Edmonton fans were telling us how this kid was going to come over next year and be a big part of their offense, compete for the Calder, and be the most talented player in the NW. Now he's a 4th round nobody.

So according to point totals Weinhandl and Pluss and Nilson are every bit as good as Forsberg and Zetterberg? If only point totals guaranteed you NHL success:shakehead

Valic 04-08-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMo (Post 18941341)
So according to point totals Weinhandl and Pluss and Nilson are every bit as good as Forsberg and Zetterberg? If only point totals guaranteed you NHL success:shakehead

You have no idea what you are talking about.

ViD 04-08-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

How am I being ignorant? If Omark is as good as his point totals suggest he should be playing with the Oilers today. I could care less if he third in points. Look at the SEL top scorers in general, you names like Hlinka, Sundstrom, Hlavac, Wallin, Davidsson, Bremberg all whom were drafted and some got to play in the NHL. At the end of
the day, none of them could cut it so I am not about get excited over a player that is third in league scoring. Putting points on the board is not the only intangible that gets you to a successful NHL career.
So, in your opinion, if Alexey Morozov or Alex Radulov were any good, they would already be playing for an NHL team now? :laugh:

naustic 04-08-2009 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Factorial (Post 18941145)
Anyone at all who follows prospects on a board called "Hockey's Future"?

This guy is a ppg player in the SEL at 21. The same league that Henrik Zetterberg went back to during the lockout at age 24, and put up marginally worse numbers than Omark did this season. The following year, Zetterberg put up 80+ in the NHL.

Here's the top ten scorers (points) in the SEL during the lockout year, a good year to compare NHL totals to SEL totals.

Code:

1 Henrik Zetterberg Timra 50
2 Kristian Huselius Linkoping 49 
3 Shawn Horcoff Mora 46 
3 Mattias Weinhandl Modo 46 
5 Nils Ekman Djugardens 45 
6 Brendan Morrison Linkoping 44 
7 Niklas Andersson Vastra Frolunda 41 
8 Mike Knuble Linkoping 39
8 Marcus Nilson Djugardens 39 
8 Martin Pluss Vastra Frolunda 39
8 Peter Forsberg Modo 39

Omark had 55 points in 53 points this year at 21. He had 32 in 55 at 20. All year Edmonton fans were telling us how this kid was going to come over next year and be a big part of their offense, compete for the Calder, and be the most talented player in the NW. Now he's a 4th round nobody.

So Zetterberg put up less numbers in a year that the league had vastly superior competition due to the NHL lockout. Not saying anything about Omark, but thats not really a great comparison.
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Valic 04-08-2009 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naustic (Post 18941372)
So Zetterberg put up less numbers in a year that the league had vastly superior competition due to the NHL lockout. Not saying anything about Omark, but thats not really a great comparison.
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Look at every player in the SEL league history who at age 21 or younger who was in the top 3 in SEL scoring in any season, look at their careers, realize the SEL is the third best league in the world, and tell me honestly, you don't think Omark has tons of potential.

worstfaceoffmanever 04-08-2009 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug (Post 18941443)
Doesn't the rights expire at the end of this season anyways? Why trade anything for them in that case?

The rights don't expire because of the lack of a transfer agreement. The Oilers can hold his NHL rights for a period of time that as of yet has been undetermined.

New Sabres Captain 04-08-2009 02:57 PM

Doesn't the rights expire at the end of this season anyways? Why trade anything for them in that case?

AlMo 04-08-2009 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcoffee (Post 18941276)
Others have already commented on this stupid post, but I'm going to comment again just to rub it in. The post was dumb and ignorant and is a reflection of yourself.

Dumb? How so? Because I said nobody really recognized this kid until he scored a highlight reel goal. When did you know he was third in league scoring? How much have you watched this kid?

Stupid is watching someone scoring a highlight reel goal and then searching his name on google and reading his point totals.

Do you want me to do a search of all the European leagues and how bout the AHL? Hey Alex Giroux has 55 goals in the AHL, guess we have our future Richard winner. Nik Kulemin was putting up numbers similar to Malkin, last time I checked Kulemin didn't put up the same numbers as Malkin.

What's dumb is to look at a players point totals and pretend it paints a whole picture. It's great that the kid has success in the SEL because thats where he will likely play the majority of his career. Like I said the kid has offensive flair but you won't get much after than. Weak defensively and weak physically, two things that will keep you out of the NHL.

ViD 04-08-2009 02:58 PM

Alex Ovechkin had 27 points in 37 games in SuperLiga before joining the Caps, next year he had 106 in the NHL. That's for the ones who think that european leagues are inferior and any star would put there insane numbers.

Modo 04-08-2009 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMo (Post 18941341)
So according to point totals Weinhandl and Pluss and Nilson are every bit as good as Forsberg and Zetterberg? If only point totals guaranteed you NHL success:shakehead

And this year he's got one more goal than Nikos Dimitrakos, currently playing in Skelleftea. Watch out, Ovechkin. :sarcasm:

It's fairly obvious that Omark's been pretty overrated since that shootout move came out, and until he comes over next season and dominates, which seems to be a sure thing according to a few posters around here lately, he's got hype and little else.


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