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Escapades 04-18-2009 08:27 PM

Do they make senior sticks with a low amount of flex?
 
Today at hockey there was a guy there who had a Senior length stick that had a very low flex, like around 50 or 60. I was just wondering if these sticks actually exist and if so where I could get one? I'm cursed with being all height and not much muscle so something like this would be cool.

RJC 04-18-2009 08:37 PM

70ish flex it the lowest

Escapades 04-18-2009 08:39 PM

Ya right now im using a 77 flex

ShootIt 04-18-2009 08:48 PM

The only thing I can think of is getting an intermediate stick and then buying an end plug.

Escapades 04-18-2009 08:51 PM

That sir, is a good idea

Crosbyfan 04-18-2009 09:00 PM

High number = Low Flex

Sounds like you want Low number, High Flex

cptjeff 04-18-2009 10:00 PM

A 75 flex isn't enough flex for you? Try a few pushups. Your only other option is to get an intermediate and an extender.

Escapades 04-18-2009 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cptjeff (Post 19142732)
A 75 flex isn't enough flex for you? Try a few pushups. Your only other option is to get an intermediate and an extender.

A 75 flex is fine for me I just thought of the possibility because I heard that Ovechkin ( I love how the spelling suggestions they give are munchkin and lovechild ) uses an 85 flex and is about 220 pounds so I thought I could try a stick for myself that has the same proportion of flex for my body weight.

Hockeyfan68 04-19-2009 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caldakid (Post 19140234)
70ish flex it the lowest

Bauer makes an intermediate Bauer Supreme One95 that has a 60 flex. Scroll down and check the drop down menu, they have 60 and up.

http://www.hockeymonkey.com/nike-bau...ickum-int.html

Not sure if it is cool to post links to other websites or anything here. I am not associated with this website so it isn't spam I guess is what I am saying.

they also have other makes of intermediate (intermediate because of flex and not quality) sticks.

Devil Dancer 04-19-2009 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Escapades (Post 19144177)
A 75 flex is fine for me I just thought of the possibility because I heard that Ovechkin ( I love how the spelling suggestions they give are munchkin and lovechild ) uses an 85 flex and is about 220 pounds so I thought I could try a stick for myself that has the same proportion of flex for my body weight.

Yeah, but he breaks sticks like crazy. Can you afford to go through sticks like that? I know I can't.

TheShoe82 04-19-2009 12:35 PM

I think easton makes a few with lower numbers as well.

Keep in mind, the more of the stick you have to trim to meet your height, the higher the number goes, the stiffer the stick gets.

Smaller players like myself have to cut off a fair amount, so something like an 85 flex is up over 100 by the time all is said and done.

noobman 04-19-2009 12:45 PM

Ovechkin is a good shooter because he's incredibly strong and has great technique. He can also fire off shots in positions that very few players in the NHL can fire off shots.

Using a 60 flex with your size will not result in an Ovechkin-like shot. What you *will* end up with is a hefty credit card bill from all the sticks you've had to replace.

SirJW 04-19-2009 01:03 PM

Plus accuracy is compromised w/ lower flex.

Escapades 04-19-2009 05:50 PM

I just did 60 push-ups, just for you guys :thumbu:

Paranoid Android 04-19-2009 11:00 PM

what are the CCM stick flex conversions? They don't list numbers...

Light flex = ?
Mid flex = ?
Regular flex = 85
Stiff flex = ?

TBLfan 04-19-2009 11:17 PM

Flex chart

Ovechkin doesn't break a lot of sticks because they are 85 flex, he breaks them because he is hard on them. There are a LOT of guys that use 85 flex or lower in the NHL and don't break a ton of sticks.

Brett Hull - 65-75 flex sticks
Phil Kessel - 75 flex sticks now, previously he used intermediate sticks.
Lecavalier - 85 flex up to about 4 years ago.

For pro stock TPS has/had two flexes lower than what they call a "Whip" and a "Strong Whip" for pros that want something lower than 85 flex... and they arent ridiculously hard to find as you'd probably assume.

Jarick 04-21-2009 10:21 AM

And you won't be breaking sticks constantly unless you're ridiculously strong and chopping the ice way before your shot.

Easton's 70 flex shaft is the whippiest senior flex I've found. You could try intermediates if you are fine with the smaller shaft diameter.

playbedar 04-21-2009 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predanerd (Post 19165442)
what are the CCM stick flex conversions? They don't list numbers...

Light flex = ?
Mid flex = ?
Regular flex = 85
Stiff flex = ?

X-Stiff flex = 110

That's written on my stick

RJC 04-21-2009 02:09 PM

honestly i have a 75/77 flex 09 dolomite and its not even as close as flexible as my 85 flex s17..

94now 04-22-2009 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predanerd (Post 19165442)
what are the CCM stick flex conversions? They don't list numbers...

Light flex = ?
Mid flex = ?
Regular flex = 85
Stiff flex = ?

L - 65
M - 75
R - 90
S - 100
XS -110

NigelSPNKr 04-25-2009 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBLfan (Post 19165816)
Flex chart

Ovechkin doesn't break a lot of sticks because they are 85 flex, he breaks them because he is hard on them. There are a LOT of guys that use 85 flex or lower in the NHL and don't break a ton of sticks.

Brett Hull - 65-75 flex sticks
Phil Kessel - 75 flex sticks now, previously he used intermediate sticks.
Lecavalier - 85 flex up to about 4 years ago.

For pro stock TPS has/had two flexes lower than what they call a "Whip" and a "Strong Whip" for pros that want something lower than 85 flex... and they arent ridiculously hard to find as you'd probably assume.


"Pro Stock" is a brand name, not actual pro stock with TPS. Afino is the only pro who uses a TPS whip. Of course a whip would be less then 85, what do you think a whip is.

No such thing as "strong whip"

TBLfan 04-25-2009 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadaBacon (Post 19271991)
"Pro Stock" is a brand name, not actual pro stock with TPS. Afino is the only pro who uses a TPS whip. Of course a whip would be less then 85, what do you think a whip is.

No such thing as "strong whip"

I'm not talking about the retail "Pro stock" sticks. I'm talking about REAL pro stock, used by NHLers. AND YES, there is a strong whip flex.

The flex options for PROs and available as pro stock/return TPS sticks are:
Whip
Strong Whip
Regular
Stiff
X-Stiff
XX-stiff

TBLfan 04-25-2009 12:12 PM

Here are pics...

Whip:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3268/whipg.jpg

Strong Whip:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9514/46938836.jpg

Regular:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1305/regi.jpg

Stiff:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9114/stiff.jpg

X-stiff and XX-stiff are a lot harder to find.

Hockeyfan68 04-25-2009 01:12 PM

Whatever happened to someone just saying "I just like how it shoots". All this technical stuff is fine and dandy but won't do anything if a guy has poor mechanics to begin with.

The Overchkin breaking a lot sticks thing I heard it discussed in a Caps game from their home broadcast and they clearly stated he breaks them because they are a low flex and he is too strong for that flex but he uses them anyway because he likes the whip in them.

Also I went with 100+ flex when I bought composites this year on the recommendation of a former semi-pro player I trust whole heartedly who is a very VERY good player that I should get at least a 100 flex for my weight of 235 lbs or I will be throwing my money away because of broken composite sticks. That made sense since I have always used a 100 flex stick or better, seemed silly to not even think of that when I was looking for a composite stick. I should have realized things would be the same even though the technology is better today with composites.

I think composites do break easier than the old wood sticks and one could get away with a low flex on a wood stick and not worry about it breaking. I have seen many wood sticks break taking a face off on the backhand contrary to the old guys who say wood sticks never broke. They did break.

I know some of you guys here are knowledgable but this guy IS knowledgable and one I fully trust in whatever he says. He even told me to leave a pair of ice skates there and not to buy them from HIS OWN STORE because he was out of stock on the better skate that support my weight better and not seperate at the heel.

He easily could have just taken my money and snickered. I've known him for years and have played with him on a few teams. he is good people and knows his stuff.

Anyway ... I have never been one to break many sticks as I have good mechanics. Sticks should break when they get slashed, shoit blocked or catching a one timer too far up on the toe if we are speaking of wood sticks. Just like catching a baseball at the end of a bat and the bat breaks.

Composites do break easier but honestly I have not had a problem after switching to composites in December and playing 2 or more games a week.

I am not even using the most expensive composites on the market. I buy good blades though but the shafts I use are Bauer Supreme One55s at $40 each.

I will be buying about 5 Bauer Supreme One95 shafts when they come in at about $90 each but will start off with just one first to see "how it shoots". I will buy the 102 flex as I know I will be cutting a couple of inches off the end of it so it will be about a 110-115 flex.

My closet full of aluminum shafts are all 100+ flexes from the late 80s and 1990s. None broke by the way and they are now vintage I guess haha .... I hung one up in my game room for decor.

cptjeff 04-25-2009 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockeyfan68 (Post 19274488)
Whatever happened to someone just saying "I just like how it shoots". All this technical stuff is fine and dandy but won't do anything if a guy has poor mechanics to begin with.

The Overchkin breaking a lot sticks thing I heard it discussed in a Caps game from their home broadcast and they clearly stated he breaks them because they are a low flex and he is too strong for that flex but he uses them anyway because he likes the whip in them.

Also I went with 100+ flex when I bought composites this year on the recommendation of a former semi-pro player I trust whole heartedly who is a very VERY good player that I should get at least a 100 flex for my weight of 235 lbs or I will be throwing my money away because of broken composite sticks. That made sense since I have always used a 100 flex stick or better, seemed silly to not even think of that when I was looking for a composite stick. I should have realized things would be the same even though the technology is better today with composites.

I think composites do break easier than the old wood sticks and one could get away with a low flex on a wood stick and not worry about it breaking. I have seen many wood sticks break taking a face off on the backhand contrary to the old guys who say wood sticks never broke. They did break.

I know some of you guys here are knowledgable but this guy IS knowledgable and one I fully trust in whatever he says. He even told me to leave a pair of ice skates there and not to buy them from HIS OWN STORE because he was out of stock on the better skate that support my weight better and not seperate at the heel.

He easily could have just taken my money and snickered. I've known him for years and have played with him on a few teams. he is good people and knows his stuff.

Anyway ... I have never been one to break many sticks as I have good mechanics. Sticks should break when they get slashed, shoit blocked or catching a one timer too far up on the toe if we are speaking of wood sticks. Just like catching a baseball at the end of a bat and the bat breaks.

Composites do break easier but honestly I have not had a problem after switching to composites in December and playing 2 or more games a week.

I am not even using the most expensive composites on the market. I buy good blades though but the shafts I use are Bauer Supreme One55s at $40 each.

I will be buying about 5 Bauer Supreme One95 shafts when they come in at about $90 each but will start off with just one first to see "how it shoots". I will buy the 102 flex as I know I will be cutting a couple of inches off the end of it so it will be about a 110-115 flex.

My closet full of aluminum shafts are all 100+ flexes from the late 80s and 1990s. None broke by the way and they are now vintage I guess haha .... I hung one up in my game room for decor.

Well, the thing it doens't seem like you realize is that "How it shoots" can be quantified with flex, balance and kickpoint. There are more elements to it, mostly relating to how the blade is constructed, but that's beside the point for this discussion.

The issue here isn't guys with bad mechanics trying to use a stick as a crutch. The issue is guys with at least decent mechanics trying to play around with a different setup to see how it affects their shot. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh, and wood sticks do break. I know a guy who broke 3 in a game once. Of course, the opposing center was going after his stick instead of the puck on faceoffs...


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