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Le Tricolore 04-23-2009 08:21 PM

Markov screwed; not nominated for Norris
 
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=419733

Chara, Green and Lidstrom are the three finalists. I figured they would but, but I don't know if I agree with them.

mlandry 04-23-2009 08:22 PM

As far as individual performance, I can agree with those choices. However, as far as importance to their team, Markov is at the top of my list. I don't think that counts for the Norris though, but I'm not sure.

Rushin Joo 04-23-2009 08:24 PM

None of these guys are as important to their teams as Markov is to us. But whatever..

le_sean 04-23-2009 08:24 PM

Only makes sense. Chara and Green were locks, 3rd was up for grabs and the NHL loves Lidstrom. Markov was clearly more valuable to his team, but oh well.

Clumsyhab 04-23-2009 08:26 PM

I was listening to CKAC this morning when they announced the 3 finalists for the Norris. Then a caller called JC Lajoie and asked why Markov isn't nominated. Then, Lajoie (who still thinks Markov isn't a #1D) said he could easily name 3 other D better than Markov this season. The called asked him to named them. He hesitated and said: "Heuu.. Dion Phaneuf" :laugh::laugh::laugh: WHat a moron this fatass is.

habdynasty 04-23-2009 08:27 PM

no surprise here, I do think Chara will take the lidstrom i mean norris trophy this year

broad 04-23-2009 08:29 PM

This isn't the Hart Trophy. It doesn't matter that Markov was the Habs best player.

Gary320 04-23-2009 08:45 PM

Screwed? Don't be biased, those 3 deserve it more than Markov. No matter how important he is to us.

JGRB 04-23-2009 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary320 (Post 19250083)
Screwed? Don't be biased, those 3 deserve it more than Markov. No matter how important he is to us.

Not Lidstrom, not this year...

I think this season was the tipping point in their respective careers where Markov has now become a more valuable player to his team.

Not that Lidstrom is not still Elite.

King Woodballs 04-23-2009 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlandry (Post 19249281)
As far as individual performance, I can agree with those choices. However, as far as importance to their team, Markov is at the top of my list. I don't think that counts for the Norris though, but I'm not sure.

It never matters
all about points
MVP is 95% of the time the leading point scorer, when it shouldnt be allot of the time

HabsHockey 04-23-2009 08:55 PM

Those choices are right. Markov was probably the 4th.

Topshelf8188 04-23-2009 09:00 PM

I hate how Lidstrom, although great is pretty much guaranteed a spot as a finalist for this every year.

HH 04-23-2009 09:01 PM

Markov should be nominated for the Hart trophy if you look at the trophy's description.

Wilma 04-23-2009 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryI (Post 19250682)
Markov should be nominated for the Hart trophy if you look at the trophy's description.

Same as Joseph should have been for the Leafs in 99. In both his and Markov's case the team was flat out miserable without them. But that's something that appears to be too hard to judge for this trophy...

DirtyJeeves 04-23-2009 09:09 PM

Nah, didn't get screwed.

If they split the awards up, Top Offensive D and Top Defense D, Markov would win neither. No reason he should win the Norris.

Belso 04-23-2009 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Tricolore (Post 19249225)
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=419733

Chara, Green and Lidstrom are the three finalists. I figured they would but, but I don't know if I agree with them.

All I have to say is that Lidstrom had it easier then Markov. So what does that say? Who was better? Markov even had more points...

OracularSpectacular 04-23-2009 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topshelf8188 (Post 19250631)
I hate how Lidstrom, although great is pretty much guaranteed a spot as a finalist for this every year.

Agree, he is a great D-Man, but every year you can bet that he will be in the running for the Norris. I think it should be Chara, Green, Markov or Chara, Green, Weber. Either my vote goes to Chara

Lucius 04-23-2009 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Tricolore (Post 19249225)
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=419733

Chara, Green and Lidstrom are the three finalists. I figured they would but, but I don't know if I agree with them.

Screwed is not the right word.

In a normal year, he'd have been nominated. In some years, he may have won.

This year, there were three off the charts performances though.

Green scored 30 goals despite injury.

Chara - as we just saw - is a force in his own end and had good offensive numbers.

Lidstrom is Lidstrom.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGRB (Post 19250182)
Not Lidstrom, not this year...

I think this season was the tipping point in their respective careers where Markov has now become a more valuable player to his team.

Not that Lidstrom is not still Elite.

And if this were the MVD (most valuable defenceman) than I'd agree with you. It isn't.

number 11 04-23-2009 09:18 PM

green is a defenseman?

Lucius 04-23-2009 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by number9 (Post 19251156)
green is a defenseman?

That is a whole other debate, hehehe.

Ohashi_Jouzu 04-23-2009 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HabsHockey (Post 19250444)
Those choices are right. Markov was probably the 4th.

Anyone been able to find any kind of voting results determining who the top 3 nominees would be?

edit: or do all the 4th and 5th places votes I've read about in the past come as write-ins from the final balloting?

Lucius 04-23-2009 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohashi_Jouzu (Post 19251441)
Anyone been able to find any kind of voting results determining who the top 3 nominees would be?

They release that after they release the winner.

The "nominees" are just the top three, afterall.

hototogisu 04-23-2009 09:36 PM

Tough to argue with the picks this year. Even though I think Green is an average-at-best defenseman, you really can't ignore 30 goals. Only the 8th defenseman ever to do that.

Lots of people have suggested it, but the NHL should think about adding a Bobby Orr trophy for the best offensive defenseman, and keep the Norris for the best defensive defenseman. They have trophies for offensive and defensive forwards, so why not D-men?

Anyway, Markov will get his due in time, I'm sure of that.

CaptKirk 04-23-2009 09:46 PM

how was he screwed? there is no way he had a season even close to the 3 nominated

eightyseven 04-23-2009 09:49 PM

LOL, I love Mike Green but he does NOT play defensively at all. He's practically a forward.

And he has really been exposed in this year's playoffs and even at least year's world championship's defensively.

The NHL gets too caught up with stats.:rant:

P.S. You do know Markov was leading our team in points for a long time. He also leads the team in ice-time and is only a -2. Quite impressive.


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