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Neely2005 04-24-2009 09:32 AM

Better Playoff Performer?
 
Being a fan of both players & having seen almost every minute of every playoff game that Joe Thornton & Marc Savard have played I was curious as to who is regarded as the better playoff performer?

Both have been seriously injured just before a playoff series (Thornton had a cracked rib in 2004 & Savard had a cracked back in 2008) and both have been First Line Centers in Boston

Now I know that Joe Thornton has played a Lot more playoff games than Marc Savard but I thought it would be interesting to see what people's impressions are of 2 players who have similar skills & numbers but play the game in very different ways.

Here are their numbers:

Joe Thornton

74 NHL Playoff Games
11 Goals
39 Assists
50 Points
- 13

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8466138

Marc Savard

11 NHL Playoff Games
3 Goals
8 Assists
11 Points
- 1

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8462118

Cheers

DungeonK 04-24-2009 10:17 AM

Not exactly a huge sample size on Savard there, but he hasn't seemed to elevate or drop off his game from the regular season, so given how brutal Thornton has been the past couple of series I'd have to give it to Savard (who is going to win this in a landslide, but the the Thornton trade was still terrible).

The Puck 04-24-2009 10:36 AM

oh c'mon!

Savard has only played 11 playoff games in his career.

ALL of them have been against Montreal.
ALL of them have been in the first round.
4 of those points were in 1 game this year.
He didn't play his first playoff game until last year ... when he was 30.

Thornton has disappointed, but Savard's playoff reputation can't be fairly judged based on 11 games against the same team.

Neely2005 04-24-2009 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DungeonK (Post 19259551)
Not exactly a huge sample size on Savard there, but he hasn't seemed to elevate or drop off his game from the regular season, so given how brutal Thornton has been the past couple of series I'd have to give it to Savard (who is going to win this in a landslide, but the the Thornton trade was still terrible).

Agreed. They should have gotten a Much better return for him. At least they were able to salvage it somewhat by turning Primeau & Stuart into Ference & Kobasew. To bad Sturm is out for the season.

Neely2005 04-24-2009 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burt the Dog (Post 19259833)
oh c'mon!

Savard has only played 11 playoff games in his career.

ALL of them have been against Montreal.
ALL of them have been in the first round.
4 of those points were in 1 game this year.
He didn't play his first playoff game until last year ... when he was 30.

Thornton has disappointed, but Savard's playoff reputation can't be fairly judged based on 11 games against the same team.

I ackowledged this in my Original Post.

Savard will be playing at Least 4 more Playoff Games this season - and they won't be against Monteal & they won't be in the First Round.

;)

RedLeader 04-24-2009 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neely2005 (Post 19260028)
I ackowledged this in my Original Post.

Savard will be playing at Least 4 more Playoff Games this season - and they won't be against Monteal & they won't be in the First Round.

;)

So why don't you make this poll after that..

WillardJFredricks 04-24-2009 11:17 AM

Literally every player in the league is a better playoff performer than Thornton. Everyone knows this. Savard also happens to be a top 10 forward, so there's no doubt he's better.

DG 04-24-2009 11:27 AM

What is the point of this thread?

Neely2005 04-24-2009 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedLeader (Post 19260105)
So why don't you make this poll after that..

It doesn't matter when I make it (this year) because someone will point out (rightfully so) that Thornton has played more playoff games.

Marc Savard won't be catching him (in games played) anytime soon.

Neely2005 04-24-2009 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG (Post 19260624)
What is the point of this thread?

I thought it was pretty clear in my OP...
:huh:

leaflover 04-24-2009 12:08 PM

I'd hate to have to count on either of these two to bring it. Both have been between the awful to invisible range this year.

Joseph LaMonica 04-24-2009 12:10 PM

Sean Thornton is better than Joe Thornton in the playoffs...

bruinsfan46 04-24-2009 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leaflover (Post 19261248)
I'd hate to have to count on either of these two to bring it. Both have been between the awful to invisible range this year.

Those 4 points in game 2 for Savard, talk about invisible eh?

Armond White 04-24-2009 12:21 PM

This is equivalent to asking "Who's better--Detroit or Columbus?" right now.

Reds4Life 04-24-2009 12:26 PM

I'd still take Thornton over Savard, and it's not really close.

leaflover 04-24-2009 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 19261369)
Those 4 points in game 2 for Savard, talk about invisible eh?

Ya he had a good game in the 1st round. If thats good enough for you then great.

xeric716x 04-24-2009 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 19261369)
Those 4 points in game 2 for Savard, talk about invisible eh?

so almost half of all his playoff points came in one game.

bruinsfan46 04-24-2009 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leaflover (Post 19261531)
Ya he had a good game in the 1st round. If thats good enough for you then great.

Yeah he played so brutal that he was only the number one centre on a team that won their series in four straight. Savard steps it up when the Bruins really need him to step it up, Kessel and Ryder destroyed the Habs enough by themselves that he wasn't really needed to step it up. And really he's still tied for sixth in playoff scoring so it's not like he didn't do anything all series.

Neely2005 04-24-2009 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leaflover (Post 19261248)
I'd hate to have to count on either of these two to bring it. Both have been between the awful to invisible range this year.

5 Points in 4 Playoff Games This Season is "between awful & invisible"?

He's currently Tied for 6th in Playoff Points This Season - and he's only played 4 Games.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

So by your logic there are only 5 Players that aren't "between awful & invisible".

:help:

leaflover 04-24-2009 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 19261661)
Yeah he played so brutal that he was only the number one centre on a team that won their series in four straight. Savard steps it up when the Bruins really need him to step it up, Kessel and Ryder destroyed the Habs enough by themselves that he wasn't really needed to step it up. And really he's still tied for sixth in playoff scoring so it's not like he didn't do anything all series.

I watched the entire series with the exception of the 1st period of game 3. I saw how the series played out and why it went the way it did. I just gave an honest unbiased opinion, obviously it wasn't going to cut it with some fans but i try not to let that influence my posts.

leaflover 04-24-2009 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neely2005 (Post 19261734)
5 Points in 4 Playoff Games This Season is "between awful & invisible"?

So by your logic there are only 5 Players that aren't "between awful & invisible".

Well of course, because offensive stats are all that matter.

WillardJFredricks 04-24-2009 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reds4Life (Post 19261506)
I'd still take Thornton over Savard, and it's not really close.

How? Honestly, I'm trying to sound like a jerk, but I'm just wondering what your reasoning is.

Neely2005 04-24-2009 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leaflover (Post 19261822)
Well of course, because offensive stats are all that matter.

So far in This Season's Playoffs:

Thornton -4
Savard +/-0

So what exactly are you basing it on?

Cinerary 04-24-2009 02:56 PM

:laugh: @ the results so far.

Cone 04-24-2009 02:56 PM

i named this big floater in my eye "joe thornton"


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