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Sneekypete 05-06-2009 01:18 PM

Kaberle , Kubina , Stajan
 
I know many Leaf fans want to include these players in deals.
What is the actual value of these players seperately?

Would I be way off base saying:

Kaberle 4 a mid first and prospect or young player
Kubina 4 a late first and prospect
Stajan 4 a 2nd and 4th

bobermay 05-06-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneekypete (Post 19444768)
I know many Leaf fans want to include these players in deals.
What is the actual value of these players seperately?

Would I be way off base saying:

Kaberle 4 a mid first and prospect or young player
Kubina 4 a late first and prospect
Stajan 4 a 2nd and 4th

Yeah... thats about right... I would actually say Stajans value could be a high 2nd like 35-45th Overall... If its Mid/Late, then a late round pick will be added in.

Kaberle would probably be more of a high end prospect (I hate to refer to Hockeysfuture rankings...but...) Probably a 8.0.

Meanwhile Kubina's prospect should be around 7.0 depending how late the 1st is.

Tombernack 05-06-2009 03:42 PM

I'd love all 3 of those trades.
Its been 2 hours, I'm surprised people haven't come in here and complained that Kaberle is only worth a 2nd at most.

BooRadley 05-06-2009 03:49 PM

Stajan isn't worth the ink needed to sign the papers to a trade. Joking aside, I think he's way overvalued in the Toronto market and would probably fetch a high 3rd rounder.

Kubina, can be realistically be traded for a high 2nd rounder in today's market.

Kaberle, can probably be had for 2 / 3 criterium that Burke originally proposed (1st rounder, young roster player, prospect).

Caesium 05-06-2009 04:09 PM

A young defensively responsible forward with a 55 point season who is good on faceoffs is worth only a 3rd rounder. Really? He was a 2nd rounder himself, and if you re-did that draft he probably goes in the 1st round.

Nizdizzle 05-06-2009 04:14 PM

You can compare Stajan to RJ Umberger when he was dealt (at the same at, within a few goals and assists, eerily similar). However, you consider that RJ had a monster playoffs that year, and Stajan has yet to test the playoff waters, I'd say Stajan should be able to garner something around a very high 2nd, or really late 1st.

drofnats 05-06-2009 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneekypete (Post 19444768)
I know many Leaf fans want to include these players in deals.
What is the actual value of these players seperately?

Would I be way off base saying:

Kaberle 4 a mid first and prospect or young player
Kubina 4 a late first and prospect
Stajan 4 a 2nd and 4th


Kaberle's value seems about right, with salary dump coming back to Leafs.

Given how few 1st rounders went at the trade deadline, I'm not sure Kubina could get that with 1 yr @ 5M contract... maybe two 2nd rounders?

Stajan will probably get a similar return as Dom Moore, so thinking just 2nd.

Schenn 05-06-2009 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BooRadley (Post 19447062)
Stajan isn't worth the ink needed to sign the papers to a trade. Joking aside, I think he's way overvalued in the Toronto market and would probably fetch a high 3rd rounder.

Kubina, can be realistically be traded for a high 2nd rounder in today's market.

Kaberle, can probably be had for 2 / 3 criterium that Burke originally proposed (1st rounder, young roster player, prospect).

stajan is a pretty good defensive forward, and im pretty sure he had something like 40-50 points, so he prolly is worht that,

ps, im reading too kill a mocking bird for my gr.9 english class right now., hah

I am Canadian 05-06-2009 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schenn29 (Post 19451148)
stajan is a pretty good defensive forward, and im pretty sure he had something like 40-50 points, so he prolly is worht that,

ps, im reading too kill a mocking bird for my gr.9 english class right now., hah

Cryslids Anyone?

bobermay 05-06-2009 08:32 PM

Stajan is definately worth a 2nd. I don't know how people would think otherwise.

25 year old, 55 point, well rounded centerman while given only 17:00 TOI/G don't grow on trees.

Bottom Line, the OP's suggestions are pretty accurate.

Ismellofhockey 05-06-2009 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schenn29 (Post 19451148)
stajan is a pretty good defensive forward, and im pretty sure he had something like 40-50 points, so he prolly is worht that,

ps, im reading too kill a mocking bird for my gr.9 english class right now., hah

Don't let your grade 9 English teacher read that post.



If that's the best return Burke can get for these players then he won't trade them until the deadline and he'll probably hang on to Stajan due to his age.

New Sabres Captain 05-06-2009 10:02 PM

Craig Rivet was traded last year for 2 2nd round picks. Kubina is a couple years younger and put up a few more points, but also comes 1.5M more expensive. I'd guess that return would be more accurate, although late 1st + 2nd wouldn't be shocking.

For Kaberle, the deal for Boyle might be a decent barometer as far as #1 D-men being traded last offseason (I don't consider McCabe to be a #1 D-man). I wouldn't think Kaberle would get as much as Boyle did (it was Boyle + Lukowich for Carle, Wishart, 1st, 4th). Boyle was also signed long-term, although Kaberle is cheaper. Kaberle for 1st + prospect sounds reasonable.

Darth Milbury 05-06-2009 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneekypete (Post 19444768)
I know many Leaf fans want to include these players in deals.
What is the actual value of these players seperately?

Would I be way off base saying:

Kaberle 4 a mid first and prospect or young player
Kubina 4 a late first and prospect
Stajan 4 a 2nd and 4th


All of this looks pretty reasonable to me.

MeowLeafs 05-06-2009 10:59 PM

Kaberle is worth Jeff Carter and a 1st plus prospect

embracedbias 05-06-2009 11:45 PM

Depending on what calibre of prospect/young player that you are thinking about, I think that you are accurate.

Spazmatic Dan 05-08-2009 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by embracedbias (Post 19456424)
Depending on what calibre of prospect/young player that you are thinking about, I think that you are accurate.

Something along the lines of Cody Hodgson?



...Bwahaha! Sorry, couldn't help myself. Anyone know a good retailer for flameproof jackets?

Biggzy* 05-08-2009 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan311 (Post 19447469)
You can compare Stajan to RJ Umberger when he was dealt (at the same at, within a few goals and assists, eerily similar). However, you consider that RJ had a monster playoffs that year, and Stajan has yet to test the playoff waters, I'd say Stajan should be able to garner something around a very high 2nd, or really late 1st.

LOL now Stajan is worth a first rounder. :laugh:

Darth Milbury 05-08-2009 11:43 AM

Chris Campoli returned a 1st in this draft and I don't think Stajan is any less valuable than him.


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