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impeach estaalo 05-17-2009 10:06 PM

Joe Corvo or Anton Babchuk for a Top 6 winger?
 
Yes, the 'Canes are in the ECF but I still feel they could use an upgrade at wing, preferably RW. Who could they get in return for Joe Corvo or Anton Babchuk? The idea of Corvo-for-Kobasew was suggested in another thread, but I'd like to get some ideas from other fanbases.

- Babchuk scored 16G and 35PTS in 72GP while averaging 18:04/game. Just turned 25 and is an RFA this summer.
- Corvo scored 14G and 38PTS in 81GP while averaging 24:19/game. Turns 32 this summer and has one more year left at a $2.75M cap hit.

twenty2 05-17-2009 10:14 PM

We have a surplus of wingers clearly, but they are not the kind of defensemen that the Flyers are interested in. Sorry.

Regin 43* 05-17-2009 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton Babchuk (Post 19605143)
Yes, the 'Canes are in the ECF but I still feel they could use an upgrade at wing, preferably RW. Who could they get in return for Joe Corvo or Anton Babchuk? The idea of Corvo-for-Kobasew was suggested in another thread, but I'd like to get some ideas from other fanbases.

- Babchuk scored 16G and 35PTS in 72GP while averaging 18:04/game. Just turned 25 and is an RFA this summer.
- Corvo scored 14G and 38PTS in 81GP while averaging 24:19/game. Turns 32 this summer and has one more year left at a $2.75M cap hit.

The sens would gladly give you Chris Kelly :nod:

Kelly and Picard for Babchuk and a 4th

Sorry if the value is completely off. I think very highly of Babchuk but I don't know how highly you guys tout him.

TheHMan 05-17-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regin 43 (Post 19605351)
The sens would gladly give you Chris Kelly :nod:

Kelly and Picard for Babchuk and a 4th

Sorry if the value is completely off. I think very highly of Babchuk but I don't know how highly you guys tout him.

Value is very off... did they not say Top 6 winger? Kelly is more of a 3rd line defensive specialist.

Babchuk has quite a bit of value as well. The best way to describe him is he's somewhat of a mini-chara.

ELab2 05-17-2009 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twenty2 (Post 19605206)
We have a surplus of wingers clearly, but they are not the kind of defensemen that the Flyers are interested in. Sorry.

why would the Flyers not be interested in Babchuk?

Lupul
for
Babchuk

AK 05-17-2009 10:42 PM

Babchuk to Tampa for Ryan Malone?

Just thinking aloud.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELab2 (Post 19605445)
why would the Flyers not be interested in Babchuk?

Lupul
for
Babchuk

Lupul doesn't get you Babchuk.

He's too inconsistent and not on a good contract.

ELab2 05-17-2009 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letang58 (Post 19605449)
Babchuk to Tampa for Ryan Malone?

Just thinking aloud.


Lupul doesn't get you Babchuk.

He's too inconsistent and not on a good contract.

probably not, I think its a good start though

GIN ANTONIC 05-17-2009 10:45 PM

No money for either of those deals. I mean salary could be cleared I suppose but it wouldn't work with the Canes cap structure as is.

impeach estaalo 05-17-2009 11:00 PM

Lupul is interesting, but makes a fair bit more than Corvo or Babchuk (or what Babchuk is projected to make). Not a fan of Malone...reminds me too much of Cole.

Sanderson 05-18-2009 04:36 AM

Corvo played over 24 minutes per game during the regular season and even more in the playoffs, why would you trade such an important player for a top 6 winger?

You don't trade important players to fill holes elsewhere. In the worst case you could end up ruining your defensive lineup and offense from the blueline without getting much help up front.

As for trading Babchuk, if you can get something very valuable in return, why not. Though you first would have to make sure that Seidenberg is resigned, because losing two defensemen may be a bit too much. If Seidenberg doesn't want to resign, Babchuk shouldn't really be available.

Sklodo 05-18-2009 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELab2 (Post 19605445)
why would the Flyers not be interested in Babchuk?

Lupul
for
Babchuk

Lupul and Jones
for
Corvo OR rights to Babchuk and a 2009 or 2010 conditional pick

The conditional pick is based on Babchuk either signing with Philadelphia or not.

Zubrus Coffee Maker 05-18-2009 10:02 AM

zubrus? i guess you have ruutu, but he can still be a difference maker when he wants to

RJ8812 05-18-2009 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sklodo (Post 19607735)
Lupul and Jones
for
Corvo OR rights to Babchuk and a 2009 or 2010 conditional pick

The conditional pick is based on Babchuk either signing with Philadelphia or not.

i doubt CAR would like to take on that much salary. we'ed have to take a salary dumb back, but i dont know who they'd want to dump. Kaberle? Walin?

Regin 43* 05-18-2009 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letang58 (Post 19605449)
Babchuk to Tampa for Ryan Malone?

Just thinking aloud.


Lupul doesn't get you Babchuk.

He's too inconsistent and not on a good contract.

Lupul is a better player then Malone IMO. If Malone gets you Babchuck then so does Lupul

Sklodo 05-18-2009 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 19607936)
i doubt CAR would like to take on that much salary. we'ed have to take a salary dumb back, but i dont know who they'd want to dump. Kaberle? Walin?

If that is the case then I'd take Wallin. He'd most likely be a 6th-7th defenseman on the team. Plus, with the salary cap rumored to be decreasing next season, getting rid of Lupul's contract for a young puck-moving defenseman and an expiring contract seems like a good way to save a couple million. Especially with the contracts of Coburn and Parent being up after next season.

Lemond23* 05-18-2009 10:38 AM

What school did Corvo play for again?

cedouimet 05-18-2009 10:51 AM

higgins + 3rd for Babchuk?


Higgins is a 2nd line forward, VERY reliable in he zone & in PK, can score 20-25 goals a season and around 50pts.

Would defenitly fit in the Hurricanes system.

And babchuk would be a great partner for markov is komisarek leaves, if he doesnst, babchuk is a perfect 3/4 Defensman!

Redwingsfan 05-18-2009 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemond23 (Post 19608145)
What school did Corvo play for again?

Western Michigan..

Lemond23* 05-18-2009 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redwingsfan (Post 19608259)
Western Michigan..

Thought so, thanks.

WreckItRask 05-18-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheHMan (Post 19605432)
Babchuk has quite a bit of value as well. The best way to describe him is he's somewhat of a mini-chara.

Um, what? Babchuk was a healthy scratch in Game 7 against Boston so that they could bring in Frantisek Kaberle. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that sitting out a healthy Chara was likely not contemplated on Boston's side.

Ironically, I watched both Corvo and Babchuk a handful of times in the regular season, but after watching both of them in the Devils and Bruins series I actually came away with the complete opposite reaction I was expecting. I was higher on Babchuk and down on Corvo, but I thought Corvo was the Canes best defenseman for much of both series, and I thought Babchuk was exposed on most nights. Trust me, I never thought I would come to that conclusion.

impeach estaalo 05-18-2009 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neely06 (Post 19609404)
Um, what? Babchuk was a healthy scratch in Game 7 against Boston so that they could bring in Frantisek Kaberle. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that sitting out a healthy Chara was likely not contemplated on Boston's side.

Ironically, I watched both Corvo and Babchuk a handful of times in the regular season, but after watching both of them in the Devils and Bruins series I actually came away with the complete opposite reaction I was expecting. I was higher on Babchuk and down on Corvo, but I thought Corvo was the Canes best defenseman for much of both series, and I thought Babchuk was exposed on most nights. Trust me, I never thought I would come to that conclusion.

Babchuk had a terrific regular season, but he has indeed struggled in the playoffs. Even I agreed with the decision to scratch him for Kaberle in Game 7.

Factoring in the playoffs, Corvo is a better player at this point but I think that Babchuk has more value due to their relative ages and because Corvo has one more year until UFA.

As for the proposals in this thread:

Higgins+3rd for Babchuk:
would have to be a 2nd, not a 3rd (in 2010 if the Habs don't have one this year).
Corvo/Babchuk+Wallin for Lupul+Jones: Too much salary is coming back even with Wallin thrown into the deal.

God 05-18-2009 06:05 PM

Damn, I like Corvo a ton but Vancouver has nothing to offer except for Mason Raymond, who probably doesn't fit your bill if you're looking to win now.

Regin 43* 05-18-2009 06:14 PM

How about if the sens do a sign and trade with Comrie?

Comrie signs a 2 year deal at 2.5 mill. We then trade Comrie and Columbus' 2nd for Babchuk.

Then Smith retires and Bell walks

Kuba, Lee, Volchenkov, Phillips, Campoli, Babchuk, Picard.
That is the sens D

Ruutu Staal Cole
Whitney Cullen Comrie
Jokinen Brind'Amour Samsonov
Walker Larose Eaves

That is one impressive core of forwards there too.

impeach estaalo 05-18-2009 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanderson (Post 19607259)
Corvo played over 24 minutes per game during the regular season and even more in the playoffs, why would you trade such an important player for a top 6 winger?

You don't trade important players to fill holes elsewhere. In the worst case you could end up ruining your defensive lineup and offense from the blueline without getting much help up front.

As for trading Babchuk, if you can get something very valuable in return, why not. Though you first would have to make sure that Seidenberg is resigned, because losing two defensemen may be a bit too much. If Seidenberg doesn't want to resign, Babchuk shouldn't really be available.

I think a Top 6 winger could be just as important to the Hurricanes as Corvo. He's not a real top-pairing defenseman, more of a #3/4 guy.

Also, i'm looking at the future: if the Hurricanes aren't going to be able to re-sign Corvo after next season, wouldn't it make sense to get a young winger for him now?

I agree that Seidenberg needs to be re-signed if one of Babchuk/Corvo is traded. In that case, the D would look like:

Pitkanen-Gleason
Seidenberg-Babchuk/Corvo
Wallin-Carson

impeach estaalo 05-18-2009 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regin 43 (Post 19612712)
How about if the sens do a sign and trade with Comrie?

Comrie signs a 2 year deal at 2.5 mill. We then trade Comrie and Columbus' 2nd for Babchuk.

Then Smith retires and Bell walks

Kuba, Lee, Volchenkov, Phillips, Campoli, Babchuk, Picard.
That is the sens D

Ruutu Staal Cole
Whitney Cullen Comrie
Jokinen Brind'Amour Samsonov
Walker Larose Eaves

That is one impressive core of forwards there too.

No real interest in Comrie. If the 'Canes wanted him, they could just sign him when he hits UFA.


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