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I Am Chariot 06-03-2009 01:16 PM

Which UFA/Trade linemate do you want for Kovulchuk
 
Understandable Kovulchuk wants to see the GM bring in some bona fide talent to help the team be competitive before he re-signs.

So who do you guys really think is a good fit?

Playmaker...top C...better goaltending....whats going to make Kovulchuk a happy Thrasher?

dj4aces 06-03-2009 01:38 PM

I'm pretty high on Antropov, but I've seen individuals question whether he would be a solid fit.

Despite injury history, it would be pretty awesome to see Gaborik come in. A Kovalchuk-Little-Gaborik line would be astounding.

Koval17 06-03-2009 03:02 PM

Gaborik OBV

John Cena* 06-03-2009 03:35 PM

Gaborik

24giovanni 06-03-2009 03:41 PM

Just thought I would though this out there but would you guys trade Kovulchuk + for Kessel and P. Bergeron?

Thoughts?

DungeonK 06-03-2009 04:22 PM

Mike Cammalleri.

Peter Sidorkiewicz 06-03-2009 05:34 PM

My top 3 are:

1. The return of Hossa - but he would be re-uniting with Kozlov not Kovalchuk

2. Gaborik to play with Kovy

3. Any decent trade scenario - Radulov perhaps?

I Am Chariot 06-03-2009 10:04 PM

Gaborik seems like such a risk ... if he gets injured Kovulchuk could just throw up his hands and bolt...

Cammalleri might be a very nice edition.

What if the Rangers offered Scotty Gomez in a package that was agreeable.

Rangers basically need guys who can finish. They could just use the cap space. Might not cost much

Gomez and Kovulchuk could be a scarey duo.

Koval17 06-03-2009 10:39 PM

since u said trade too, crosby! lol

I Am Chariot 06-04-2009 08:51 AM

right

Whaddagoal 06-04-2009 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chariot (Post 19790699)
Gaborik seems like such a risk ... if he gets injured Kovulchuk could just throw up his hands and bolt...

Cammalleri might be a very nice edition.

What if the Rangers offered Scotty Gomez in a package that was agreeable.

Rangers basically need guys who can finish. They could just use the cap space. Might not cost much

Gomez and Kovulchuk could be a scarey duo.

No way to Scott Gomez...

A one-trick pony who is massively overpaid. The guy has wheels and can skate through the neutral zone, but thats about it. Doesn't have great hockey sense (see boneheaded decisions on PP), the low-precentage shots he takes that leads to change in posession of puck..... and has had a rumoring bad attitude following throughout his career (see Devils first and then Rangers).

Gomez I don't believe would even fit well with Kovalchuk. Kovalchuk is a player who likes to be the puck-carrierr and the same with Gomez. See Jagr situation a few years ago - didn't work out too well. Gomez wouldn't be happy on this team, he'd have to fight for PP time: Kovalchuk, White, Kozlov, Peverley, Little, Enstrom, Bogosian, Hainsey.... its already a quesiton of who should reallly be on the main PP unit.

Lastly, probably most important of all - his contract his awful. No way Waddell will take that on, when there are budding players on this team that will need a huge pay-day in a few years, and considering the cap/ownership situation, this would be highly detrimental to the team.

btn 06-04-2009 09:04 AM

The problem with Gomez AND Kovalchuk is that it eats too much of the salary budget.

I Am Chariot 06-04-2009 11:19 AM

I hear ya....

So what do you think will appease Kovulchuk. The guy will get his $$$ regardless. How big a move do they need to make to convince him to stay?

blankspace6 06-04-2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chariot (Post 19794165)
I hear ya....

So what do you think will appease Kovulchuk. The guy will get his $$$ regardless. How big a move do they need to make to convince him to stay?

They don't need a big move to keep him. They need to win.
More wins can be accomplished by smartly filling the holes we do have (Top 6 RW & Top 4 Defensive D-man).

Boognish 06-04-2009 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DungeonK (Post 19787401)
Mike Cammalleri.

Absolutely.

TasteofFlames 06-04-2009 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DungeonK (Post 19787401)
Mike Cammalleri.

I was hoping we'd flip a goalie at last years draft for him, so I'm very down with Camalerri.

blankspace6 06-04-2009 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TasteofFlames (Post 19797196)
I was hoping we'd flip a goalie at last years draft for him, so I'm very down with Camalerri.

He won't come cheap. Don't get your hopes up.

Boognish 06-08-2009 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blankspace6 (Post 19797347)
He won't come cheap. Don't get your hopes up.

$7-$8M should be a decent market for him. If DW had the green to over bid on an above average Defenseman like Campbell, I would think he's got the same leeway on a #1 center.

Selanne08* 06-08-2009 11:30 AM

Havlat would work in this system

Alex28* 06-08-2009 02:18 PM

Cammalleri would not be a good fit for Kovalchuk's wing. The guy is a skating stick pointed at the net. Pretty much all he's good at is finishing. Soft, average playmaker, bad defensively. He turned Jarome ****ing Iginla into a setup man. If he becomes the de-facto sniper on Kovalchuk's line (and that's pretty much his entire value) and turns Kovalchuk into a setup perimeter guy, it will be very bad for Atlanta.

Kovalchuk is one of those players who can develop chemistry with a nobody or be burdened by an all star on the same line. That's why trading for Gomez, who'd probably have much less chemistry with Kovalchuk than Peverley and would become a disaster, would be a horrible move. Kovalchuk is the puck carrier, the sniper, and the premiere setup man for his line. All offense runs him. The role of his linemates is to win board battles, backcheck, create space for him through positioning or hitting, and be able to finish all the rebounds he leaves and capitalize on defensive breakdowns that inevitably occur whenever Kovalchuk picks up speed going through the neutral zone. That's why Peverley works so well with him - 3rd line center on most teams, but because he does all the little things that complement Kovalchuk's game he's a PPG player with him.

The two best RW complements available for him from the market are most likely Kotalik and Callahan (Knuble probably 3rd best). Kotalik is a UFA, and would probably have to be overpaid (~3.5 million) to come to Atlanta, but his game complements Kovalchuk’s very well. Physical for a scoring line winger (78th in adjust player hits for the year), good two way player who can be relied on to carry on the play, good without the puck (ABSOLUTELY key for Kovalchuk’s linemate, which is why Cammalleri and Gomez would be disastrous), money in the shootout and good for 40-50 points a year. Does everything adequately but nothing (except shootout) excellently. Callahan is an RFA, and could probably be signed for a 1st and 3rd compensation in the 2010 draft (~3-3.5 million). If Atlanta makes that move, then they’re signifying that they’re planning to put up a good enough season in 2009-2010 not to care much about the 2010 draft, which would solidify their commitment to winning in Kovalchuk’s eyes. Unlike Zhitnik and Tkachuk, Callahan though would be worth the money and the draft picks. He’s probably the ideal RW for Kovalchuk. Top 10 in the league in hits, just started breaking out in terms of scoring, very physical and defensively responsible player who’s got a ton of speed to burn. Great along the boards. All he really needs to do is run around wrecking people and scrambling the opposition and Kovalchuk can freely glide into the offensive zone and take a shot/make a play. One of the reasons Malkin’s been so effective is because Talbot goes out there and runs around plastering people nonstop while Malkin freely glides through the opposition and sets up a perfect shot/play (same role is played for Crosby by Kunitz). Callahan can do much more than Talbot, and if Kovalchuk has fast skater with decent hands who goes out of his way to wreck people on his line, he’s probably good for 60 goals.

Then, Atlanta drafts either Kane or Schenn as a either their 1st or 2nd line center of the future. Schenn seems to be more of a sure thing but Kane seems more apt at playing wing if he has to, so Kane would probably be a better choice since odds are he’d have to take on Kozlov’s role when he retires (MSP may seem like a better fit being a natural LW, but he seems like a much more high risk prospect than the other two.

Finally, Atlanta throws something like 4.5 million a year, long term, at Beauchemin, who can do everything very well, offensively and defensively, and is also physical. Then signs someone like Scuderi or Skrasnis (or trades for Martinek) as a bottom pairing defenseman, specifically as a PK specialist. With a top six of Kovalchuk-Peverley-Kotalik/Callahan and Kozlov – White – Little, with Kane and Armstrong also being viable options, and a defensive corps of Enstrom-Bogosian Beauchemin-Hainsey Skrasnis – Valabik, Atlanta should definitely at least make the playoffs next year barring major injuries or meltdowns.

Antropov would also be a good fit, but not as good as either of those two. He's slower and less physical. Still, if Kotalik, Callahan or Knuble can't be had, Antropov at 3.5-4 million a year would be good.

Alex28* 06-08-2009 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boognish (Post 19832451)
$7-$8M should be a decent market for him. If DW had the green to over bid on an above average Defenseman like Campbell, I would think he's got the same leeway on a #1 center.

And that's how you sell your soul to Cap Hell Devil.

If Cammalleri is signed by Atlanta for 7 million+ to fill a more or less phantom need, do you really expect to be able to sign Kovalchuk for under 10 million a year?

Atlanta's extremely lucky they didn't get Campbell. Should have made a 4.5 million a year long term bid for Streit, but Hainsey still was a much better acquisition than Campbell. watching Chicago try to sign Kane, Toews and Keith with Campbell and Huet's albatrosses will be fun to say the least.

Right now pretty much every forward in Atlanta's top 9 is underpaid based on their production (even though the quality of defensive play leaves much to be desired). This could possibly be used as leverage to sign Kovalchuk to a front-loaded 11-13 year deal with a cap hit of 7-7.5 million, which would be as much of a coup for Atlanta as the Datsyuk and Zetterberg signings were for Detroit.

Cap space is very, very valuable in this league. Bringing in big shiny names for more than they're worth will almost certainly result in mediocrity if not outright disaster.

AintLifeGrand 06-08-2009 02:52 PM

James van Riemsdyk

Radulov


Cheechoo


Mueller

Alex28* 06-08-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AintLifeGrand (Post 19835985)
James van Riemsdyk

Radulov


Cheechoo


Mueller

Other than Cheechoo and Radulov (who's probably staying in the KHL for good), how would any of those be obtainable without huge overpayment?

Not to mention JVR seems like a bust in the making and Mueller's concussion issues are a red flag. Plus Phoenix is very high on him.

Selanne08* 06-08-2009 04:17 PM

for d-man maybe jordan leopold, derek morris, or MA Bergeron

John Cena* 06-08-2009 04:37 PM

Gaborik baby Gaborik


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