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Youngblood93 06-04-2009 04:58 PM

Kessel to LA
 
What would it cost LA to obtain Phil Kessel?

I am just throwing this out there.

To LA: Kessel and Sturm
To BOS: Johnson, Purcell/Boyle Harrold and 2nd in 09.

IMO Kessel and Johnson cancel each other out so it comes down to Sturm for Boyle/Purcell, Harrold and 2nd in 09.

BOS would get some cap space for the 2nd part of this swap. I am guessing Kessel and Johnson would sign for similar numbers.

I know Boyle has been a bust in LA so far but sometimes a change a scenery is all a player needs to turn it around. With Boyle being for MASS. maybe he puts it together, who knows.

Thoughts?

Regin 43* 06-04-2009 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fivehole93 (Post 19798006)
What would it cost LA to obtain Phil Kessel?

I am just throwing this out there.

To LA: Kessel and Sturm
To BOS: Johnson, Purcell/Boyle Harrold and 2nd in 09.

IMO Kessel and Johnson cancel each other out so it comes down to Sturm for Boyle/Purcell, Harrold and 2nd in 09.

BOS would get some cap space for the 2nd part of this swap. I am guessing Kessel and Johnson would sign for similar numbers.

I know Boyle has been a bust in LA so far but sometimes a change a scenery is all a player needs to turn it around. With Boyle being for MASS. maybe he puts it together, who knows.

Thoughts?


Johnson is my favorite defenseman but common... Just because they are both free agents doesn't mean that Johnson and Kessel "cancel each other out" Kessel's value is way higher.

I also don't think that this package would be enough for Boston

VictoryRose 06-04-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Regin 43 (Post 19798053)
Kessel's value is way higher.

This shouldn't even have to be pointed out.

8BostonRocker24 06-04-2009 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fivehole93 (Post 19798006)
...IMO Kessel and Johnson cancel each other...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regin 43 (Post 19798053)
Johnson is my favorite defenseman but common... Just because they are both free agents doesn't mean that Johnson and Kessel "cancel each other out" Kessel's value is way higher.

I also don't think that this package would be enough for Boston

If Boston deals Kessel, (IMO) JJ isn't what they are looking for in return.

VictoryRose 06-04-2009 05:08 PM

LA only has defensman to deal for prospects, and rostered forwards aside from Moller aren't really gonna be in your interest, or movable.

Seeing Kessel traded for Johnson in any capacity would be a laugh riot after a cursory recall of history.

Beukeboom Fan 06-04-2009 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regin 43 (Post 19798053)
Johnson is my favorite defenseman but common... Just because they are both free agents doesn't mean that Johnson and Kessel "cancel each other out" Kessel's value is way higher.

I also don't think that this package would be enough for Boston


Agree 100%.

Also, if the Bruins are trading Kessel, I doubt they'd also want to move the likely replacement for him on the roster in Sturm. Also, from the Bruins POV, they're taking a pretty significant downgrade on next years team with that trade, which doesn't seem likely.

Shellz 06-04-2009 05:28 PM

Kessel looks like Chucky. I don't know if I could handle that.

LeanSixSigma 06-04-2009 05:30 PM

Kessel for the Kings 5th straight up.

Jwm1986 06-04-2009 05:35 PM

While Johnson will become a top d-man in my opinion, there is no way hes worth kessel at this point.

I think something like this would be fair for kessel.

Jack Johnson
Oscar Moller
2nd round Pick on 09

for Kessel

Youngblood93 06-04-2009 05:40 PM

Thanks for the info on BOS. I wasn't sure where they stood with young NHL d-man. I don't think Kessel is that much higher than Johnson but that's my opinion.

Johnson has showed some signs of being a big time d-man and then other times you wonder if the Kings would have been better off keeping Gleason.

Kessel had a rough first year but has progressed nicely.


If BOS was to trade Kessel, what would the Bruins be looking for in return?

Dr Quincy 06-04-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fivehole93 (Post 19798006)
What would it cost LA to obtain Phil Kessel?

I am just throwing this out there.

To LA: Kessel and Sturm
To BOS: Johnson, Purcell/Boyle Harrold and 2nd in 09.

IMO Kessel and Johnson cancel each other out so it comes down to Sturm for Boyle/Purcell, Harrold and 2nd in 09.

BOS would get some cap space for the 2nd part of this swap. I am guessing Kessel and Johnson would sign for similar numbers.

I know Boyle has been a bust in LA so far but sometimes a change a scenery is all a player needs to turn it around. With Boyle being for MASS. maybe he puts it together, who knows.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't trade Kessel straight up for that.

1) Neither Boyle nor Harrold would make the Bruins roster. Exactly what do they add ot the deal? Boyle wouldn't even be 1st or 2nd line in Providence.

2) That makes it Kessel for JJ and a 2nd. Some Bruins fans would do that, but I wouldn't. If you add Sturm to it then no Bruins fans would do it.

Put it this way, would you do Kopitar and Handzus for Ryan Suter, Hugh Jessiman and Tim Ramholt?

Now I'm not saying that Kessel is equal to Kopitar, I'm just saying: young high scoring vital to the team player for a good young dman and a couple of minor leaguers.

Youngblood93 06-04-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jwm1986 (Post 19798322)
While Johnson will become a top d-man in my opinion, there is no way hes worth kessel at this point.

I think something like this would be fair for kessel.

Jack Johnson
Oscar Moller
2nd round Pick on 09

for Kessel

How many 2nd rd picks does LA have this year? If they have more than one would the 2nd rd pick in your proposal be LA's?

Dr Quincy 06-04-2009 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fivehole93 (Post 19798366)
Thanks for the info on BOS. I wasn't sure where they stood with young NHL d-man. I don't think Kessel is that much higher than Johnson but that's my opinion.

Johnson has showed some signs of being a big time d-man and then other times you wonder if the Kings would have been better off keeping Gleason.

Kessel had a rough first year but has progressed nicely.


If BOS was to trade Kessel, what would the Bruins be looking for in return?

Affordable, 2/3 puck moving dman who is under contract for at least 2 years, on the youngish side would be a plus (but must have NHL experience already).

I don't see too many of those guys in the league and I see even less available.... thus no Kessel trade is likely.

Youngblood93 06-04-2009 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Quincy (Post 19798381)
I wouldn't trade Kessel straight up for that.

1) Neither Boyle nor Harrold would make the Bruins roster. Exactly what do they add ot the deal? Boyle wouldn't even be 1st or 2nd line in Providence.

2) That makes it Kessel for JJ and a 2nd. Some Bruins fans would do that, but I wouldn't. If you add Sturm to it then no Bruins fans would do it.

Put it this way, would you do Kopitar and Handzus for Ryan Suter, Hugh Jessiman and Tim Ramholt?

Now I'm not saying that Kessel is equal to Kopitar, I'm just saying: young high scoring vital to the team player for a good young dman and a couple of minor leaguers.

Point taken.

What would you want in return for Kessel and Sturm?

Youngblood93 06-04-2009 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Quincy (Post 19798410)
Affordable, 2/3 puck moving dman who is under contract for at least 2 years, on the youngish side would be a plus (but must have NHL experience already).

I don't see too many of those guys in the league and I see even less available.... thus no Kessel trade is likely.

Johnson would fit that profile except he's not signed yet but he's an RFA.

How are the Bruins doing with there cap and getting RFA's signed and UFA's?

Dr Quincy 06-04-2009 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fivehole93 (Post 19798446)
Johnson would fit that profile except he's not signed yet but he's an RFA.

How are the Bruins doing with there cap and getting RFA's signed and UFA's?

The RFA thing with JJ is a factor. Also, I just think there are still questions about him. He's got amazing skills no doubt, but in my mind there is still some question about his overall game. If he puts it together he might be a guy who would be untouchable, so it might be worth the gamble for Boston. But the B's are trading the best young goal scorer they've had in a long long time. I'm not sure it they want to do it unless they get back a sure thing.

Then again, that's ME, and might not be the view of the front office. They may lust after JJ and would do the deal.

As for B's cap issues: They ended the free agent with 4 RFAs: Kessel, Krejci, Hunwick and Bitz. Krejci has signed for a little less than what many of us thought. Hunwick and Bitz will get slight raises. What it takes to get Kessel done is another question.

The budget will no doubt be tight, but not undoable. Ideally we would trade a guy like Kobasew/Ward for something a little more affordable. Sturm has a no trade and likely wouldn't waive it.

Abyss 06-04-2009 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jwm1986 (Post 19798322)
While Johnson will become a top d-man in my opinion, there is no way hes worth kessel at this point.

I think something like this would be fair for kessel.

Jack Johnson
Oscar Moller
2nd round Pick on 09

for Kessel

I'd do that from the Boston end, and I'm not nearly a big JJ fan like a lot of people here.

Colt.45Orr 06-04-2009 06:15 PM

Johnson
5th

for

Kessel
25th

JDM 06-04-2009 06:24 PM

I don't want Kessel on the Kings.

Dave in LA 06-04-2009 06:50 PM

Seriously, I don't understand the trade jj crap amongst king fans. The whole "because he's got value" argument is not a reason to trade a 22 yr old defenseman who is still learning how to be a pro. The dude had a separated shoulder that needed surgery. He missed 1/2 the season. I guess by not scoring 25 goals in 42 games, he's considered a bust. :shakehead

I can guarantee the same people who are advocating trading him will be the first ones to ***** about it once he thrives on another team.

Unless he's included in a package for Malkin, E. Staal or Carter, he's not going anywhere. The Vancouver rumor is just stupid.

Kessel is coach killer and has some character flaws. No way DL trades for him.

The sooner you "king" fans realize this the better.

STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!

LordLucic* 06-04-2009 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in LA (Post 19799031)
Seriously, I don't understand the trade jj crap amongst king fans. The whole "because he's got value" argument is not a reason to trade a 22 yr old defenseman who is still learning how to be a pro. The dude had a separated shoulder that needed surgery. He missed 1/2 the season. I guess by not scoring 25 goals in 42 games, he's considered a bust. :shakehead

I can guarantee the same people who are advocating trading him will be the first ones to ***** about it once he thrives on another team.

Unless he's included in a package for Malkin, E. Staal or Carter, he's not going anywhere. The Vancouver rumor is just stupid.

Kessel is coach killer and has some character flaws. No way DL trades for him.

The sooner you "king" fans realize this the better.

STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!

You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Should I go spatting off about how Johnson is a "nutcase"?

When you are ignorant about a subject it is better to keep quiet about that subject because you are just going to make yourself look like a fool.

EDIT: Fixed Spelling.

VictoryRose 06-04-2009 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordLucic (Post 19799145)
You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

So you go spatting off about how Johnson is a "nutcase"?

When you are ignorant about a subject it is better to keep quiet about that subject because you are just going to make yourself look like a fool.


This. By the way, Johnson is a -42 in his abbreviated career.

Kurrilino 06-04-2009 07:06 PM

i wouldn't even trade Johnson for Kessel straight....

He was our best defender after his injuries and in the future he will be a top pair defenseman.

You guys are nuts if you throw him in any trade proposal.

BTW he stated that he wanna stay in L.A.
there is no reason for that free agent stuff.

As soon as he signs, you ahve to throw in Kessel + to
get the ear of Lombardi

VictoryRose 06-04-2009 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurrilino (Post 19799193)
i wouldn't even trade Johnson for Kessel straight....

Yeah. you're embarrassing Kings' nation. Seriously.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurrilino (Post 19799193)
He was our best defender after his injuries and in the future he will be a top pair defenseman.

Uh yeah, he really wasn't. Drew Doughty, Kyle Quincey, and Sean O'Donnel all played better than him consistently, and Davis Drewiskie and Greene had long stretches where they both outplayed anything JJ put together when he was healthy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurrilino (Post 19799193)
You guys are nuts if you throw him in any trade proposal.

You're nuts if you think...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurrilino (Post 19799193)
As soon as he signs, you ahve to throw in Kessel + to
get the ear of Lombardi


...this has any remote, merit of truth.

Why can't I count on hockey fans to actually watch the games? Do other sports have this problem?

Taz#24 06-04-2009 07:13 PM

I would ask for
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fivehole93 (Post 19798416)
Point taken.

What would you want in return for Kessel and Sturm?

JOHNSON, BROWN and MOLLER. KESSEL, STURM and FERENCE go to LA.


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