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jasonponty 06-19-2009 05:58 PM

Going from an Senior Stick to Intermediate... advice?
 
So, for years I've bought Senior sized wood hockey sticks and cut them down about 4-6 inches, I'm 5'8". I want to make the switch to composites but with a senior stick, I'd have to cut it down which would completely alter the flex of the stick amongst other things. Switching to an intermediate stick seems like the smart thing to do. I wouldn't have to cut it down and the integrity of the stick wouldn't be changed.

I know the shaft is skinner than a senior sized stick which is a part of my worry. I'm about 145lbs so I don't think a 67-70 flex would be that far off of a weight/flex ratio? Am I wrong?

Anyone else make the switch? Any warnings or advice?

winger17 06-19-2009 06:14 PM

Go to the intermediate. I would be the best choice.

Devil Dancer 06-19-2009 06:28 PM

I'm 5'6 140, and I made the switch 6 months ago. I'll never go back. Not only is the flex much more appropriate for my strength and weight, but intermediates are cheaper too. The difference in dimensions other than length are so small that I literally did not notice.

winger17 06-19-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil Dancer (Post 19983548)
, but intermediates are cheaper too.

It is usually only a $10 difference but go with the inter.

Crosbyfan 06-19-2009 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonponty (Post 19983246)
So, for years I've bought Senior sized wood hockey sticks and cut them down about 4-6 inches, I'm 5'8". I want to make the switch to composites but with a senior stick, I'd have to cut it down which would completely alter the flex of the stick amongst other things. Switching to an intermediate stick seems like the smart thing to do. I wouldn't have to cut it down and the integrity of the stick wouldn't be changed.

I know the shaft is skinner than a senior sized stick which is a part of my worry. I'm about 145lbs so I don't think a 67-70 flex would be that far off of a weight/flex ratio? Am I wrong?

Anyone else make the switch? Any warnings or advice?

All other things being equal (they rarely are...but), if two sticks have the same stiffness the skinnier one is stronger.

Backstrom #19 06-19-2009 07:51 PM

I've been thinking about making the switch as well. The only problem is, I'm 5'8 but I like my sticks a little tall. I don't know if an Intermediate will be tall enough.

Jarick 06-19-2009 10:33 PM

I'm 5'8", use 75 flex sticks cut down about 6", and they're getting up close to 100 flex when cut. I'm hoping to try an intermediate in a pattern I like, but they're usually still pretty stiff. As someone above said, it seems like the thinner shaft material makes them stiffer, so even though it's listed at 65 flex, it often feels closer to 75.

BadHammy* 06-19-2009 10:56 PM

I really think companies should start offering every stick in 2 different lengths. That would help them sell a lot more product, me thinks.

Hockeyfan68 06-20-2009 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MistaWrista (Post 19986193)
I really think companies should start offering every stick in 2 different lengths. That would help them sell a lot more product, me thinks.

Being a 6ft 4in and 235lb guy I have never been able to buy the right stick. It is one reason why I use shafts as you can get them in a high enough flex to not have a buttend affect the flex I need which is 100+. The only regular sticks I have seen lately that accomodate the tall heavy guy are the Bauer Supreme One95s that are the extra length ones with a 100+ flex.

It's about time! You short little hooligans have had it made for decades! :laugh:

I would love to be able to use intermediate sticks, like stated here already they are cheaper and easier to find.

LTNINGFan 06-20-2009 04:38 AM

Well, me being 5'7" and around 148ish, this speaks to me...now I need to find an intermediate to try. Any suggestions?

Devil Dancer 06-20-2009 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LTNINGFan (Post 19987521)
Well, me being 5'7" and around 148ish, this speaks to me...now I need to find an intermediate to try. Any suggestions?

Sure, try the Bauer Vapor Apollo or the Bauer Vapor XVI. Both are low end sticks that will give you the feel for an intermediate without costing a fortune. You can then upgrade to something higher end if you like it.

I use a Vapor XVI as my backup stick.

paperclip maniac 06-20-2009 09:51 AM

I switched recently too(5'7, 165lbs), I ended up getting an Easton SC2 and a Bauer Vapor XII, got them both for about $65 off hockeygiant.com. The flex is definitely the biggest difference, I can actually load up on a shot and get some power behind it, although slappers are a little weird, because the blade has a tendency to bounce off the ice a little, so it takes a little getting used to, but I'm happy I made the switch.

side information: I like the Easton better than the Bauer, it just "feels" better.

jasonponty 06-20-2009 05:22 PM

For everyone offering advice or saying to go for it, thanks I think I'm gonna jump on board. I know it will take some getting use to but it will be worth it.

Glad a few other people got something out of this. When it comes to composites, companies should make them in different lengths as someone said. Not everyone is the same height and it would help the shorter players out there like me, a tremendous amount.

LTNINGFan 06-20-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil Dancer (Post 19988083)
Sure, try the Bauer Vapor Apollo or the Bauer Vapor XVI. Both are low end sticks that will give you the feel for an intermediate without costing a fortune. You can then upgrade to something higher end if you like it.

I use a Vapor XVI as my backup stick.

Thanks Devil, I will check those out:)

Gunnar Stahl 30 06-20-2009 07:52 PM

ive "used" an intermediate during a practice once. im 6'3 190ish, ive used a senior stick since i was probably 11. the intermediate stick i used was one of the kids i coach. the biggest noticeable differences were the flex, and the diameter of the shaft. the flex was like a 65 and felt like rubber and the smaller diameter made it feel like a tooth pick, i could never use an intermediate just cause of the smaller diameter of the shaft

itsjustsurvival 06-22-2009 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Backstrom #19 (Post 19984428)
I've been thinking about making the switch as well. The only problem is, I'm 5'8 but I like my sticks a little tall. I don't know if an Intermediate will be tall enough.

I'm 5'9 and use a pretty tall stick. And I thought the same. But I switched to an intermediate Easton last year and it's just as tall as my old stick. Its over my eyes when I'm on foot.

I should start cutting my sticks down..but that's another story all together.

Jarick 06-22-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunnar Stahl 30 (Post 19993908)
ive "used" an intermediate during a practice once. im 6'3 190ish, ive used a senior stick since i was probably 11. the intermediate stick i used was one of the kids i coach. the biggest noticeable differences were the flex, and the diameter of the shaft. the flex was like a 65 and felt like rubber and the smaller diameter made it feel like a tooth pick, i could never use an intermediate just cause of the smaller diameter of the shaft

You're also six inches taller than us short people, which is about 25 flex difference.

AIREAYE 09-27-2009 01:12 PM

Im considering this too, im around 5'8,5'9 and around 125 lbs

Im using a NB Supreme One55 SR 87 cut down to around mid 90's, cant get significant power behind wrist shots

Im considering getting an INT NB Vapour XVI or an Easton SC6...which is better in terms of weight and puck feel?

mbush82 09-27-2009 01:30 PM

I just recently went from senior 85 flexes to a senior 70. The thing is I used to play with full lenth 85s, but I started cutting them down to right height and it was killing the flex (and my arms and wrists). Cutting down an intermediate 70 a few inches gives me what I feel is the perfect flex as a rec player. It's not noodley, but loads very easily. By the way I'm also at 5'8 too. Only problem now is I have a bunch of 85f that I don't think I'll ever use.

Also, the shaft I'm using is a easton synergy II tapered shaft, in case anyone is interested.

AIREAYE 09-27-2009 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mbush82 (Post 21294030)
I just recently went from senior 85 flexes to a senior 70. The thing is I used to play with full lenth 85s, but I started cutting them down to right height and it was killing the flex (and my arms and wrists). Cutting down an intermediate 70 a few inches gives me what I feel is the perfect flex as a rec player. It's not noodley, but loads very easily. By the way I'm also at 5'8 too. Only problem now is I have a bunch of 85f that I don't think I'll ever use.

Also, the shaft I'm using is a easton synergy II tapered shaft, in case anyone is interested.

Do you know which sticks/lines have 70 SR flexes? and Im still wondering about the SC6 and XVI thanks :)

DevilsFan38 09-27-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AIREAYE (Post 21294171)
Do you know which sticks/lines have 70 SR flexes? and Im still wondering about the SC6 and XVI thanks :)

TPS does a whip flex, which I believe is a 70. I don't know about the SC6 vs. the XVI, I have the XVI shaft which I like, but before that I had only used wood so I don't have much to compare it to. But it has a grip finish (don't think they make a non-grip version) which I'm not a fan of, so I don't think I'd buy it again. The SC6 looks like it comes in both grip and non-grip. Don't know if that's a factor at all, or different curve availability since they're different brands.

Gunnar Stahl 30 09-27-2009 04:27 PM

the bauers go to 77

remember though, if you cut it its going to be a higher flex making it stiffer

NigelSPNKr 09-29-2009 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsFan38 (Post 21296480)
TPS does a whip flex, which I believe is a 70. I don't know about the SC6 vs. the XVI, I have the XVI shaft which I like, but before that I had only used wood so I don't have much to compare it to. But it has a grip finish (don't think they make a non-grip version) which I'm not a fan of, so I don't think I'd buy it again. The SC6 looks like it comes in both grip and non-grip. Don't know if that's a factor at all, or different curve availability since they're different brands.

75 but close enough :naughty:

I would cut a whip down before going inter.
I personally find them way to fragile for mens league.

Mind you this is just my own personally opinion.

3hirty6ix 10-01-2009 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AIREAYE (Post 21293717)
Im considering this too, im around 5'8,5'9 and around 125 lbs

Im using a NB Supreme One55 SR 87 cut down to around mid 90's, cant get significant power behind wrist shots

Im considering getting an INT NB Vapour XVI or an Easton SC6...which is better in terms of weight and puck feel?

I have an SC6 and I would say it's moderately blade heavy. The blade doesn't have the same zing after a year of use too. Don't know about the XVI.

FiveHole23 10-10-2009 04:25 PM

man I always thought Intermediate sticks were for women, lol.

After reading this thread and being 5'8" 130lbs soaking wet im thinking of looking into a Int. Stick. For what I have noticed no one in my roller leagues play with them but my wrist shot feels like it has no power.


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