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HF Article 06-20-2009 07:00 PM

Capitals 2009 draft preview
 
The Capitals hold the No. 24 pick in the draft.

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LSF76 06-21-2009 12:55 PM

Is Carter Ashton really that good? 50 points in 70 games in the W is just not impressive.

Langway 06-21-2009 01:35 PM

It would be the McPhee draft pick trifecta: WHLer, size & NHL bloodlines.

Part of the production issue with Ashton it seems is that he was demoted at one point in the season and played with a couple of grinders that didn't ideally compliment his game. As a result, he had just 16 points (9+7) in his last 31 regular season games. He did still manage to lead Lethbridge in goals thanks to his torrid start but you wonder about his ability to create and manufacture offense on his own. Then again, if those question marks aren't there then he's a guy that would go ten picks (or more) earlier.

The Caps have the complimentary offensive talent that would suit his game but I wonder if that current limitation of sorts would necessarily make for the most appealing option at 24 in what looks to be a fairly solid draft.

strungout 06-21-2009 01:36 PM

Quote:

2008 fourth-round draft pick Braden Holtby also had a strong season in the OHL
:facepalm:

OVMVP 06-21-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LSF76 (Post 19999150)
Is Carter Ashton really that good? 50 points in 70 games in the W is just not impressive.

I think he can be if he wants to. He has all the physical attributes to be the prototypical Power foward with his size (6'3 ish) and has an improving offensive game. Another year in the W should be good for him, and allow him to break out offensively, if he develops the right way. He is a good prospect but for some reason i feel a Eric Fehr turnout. But who knows with mid 1st rounders

EroCaps 06-21-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Langway (Post 19999528)
It would be the McPhee draft pick trifecta: WHLer, size & NHL bloodlines.

Part of the production issue with Ashton it seems is that he was demoted at one point in the season and played with a couple of grinders that didn't ideally compliment his game. As a result, he had just 16 points (9+7) in his last 31 regular season games. He did still manage to lead Lethbridge in goals thanks to his torrid start but you wonder about his ability to create and manufacture offense on his own. Then again, if those question marks aren't there then he's a guy that would go ten picks (or more) earlier.

The Caps have the complimentary offensive talent that would suit his game but I wonder if that current limitation of sorts would necessarily make for the most appealing option at 24 in what looks to be a fairly solid draft.

I'd love the Caps to find a legit powerforward, I'm just nervous based on McPhee's history of bombing when he goes for size.

O'Reilly for me.

LSF76 06-21-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Langway (Post 19999528)
It would be the McPhee draft pick trifecta: WHLer, size & NHL bloodlines.

Part of the production issue with Ashton it seems is that he was demoted at one point in the season and played with a couple of grinders that didn't ideally compliment his game. As a result, he had just 16 points (9+7) in his last 31 regular season games. He did still manage to lead Lethbridge in goals thanks to his torrid start but you wonder about his ability to create and manufacture offense on his own. Then again, if those question marks aren't there then he's a guy that would go ten picks (or more) earlier.

The Caps have the complimentary offensive talent that would suit his game but I wonder if that current limitation of sorts would necessarily make for the most appealing option at 24 in what looks to be a fairly solid draft.

If a guy can't create offense on his own in junior, what does that say about his ability to contribute in the NHL? I'm not saying he's got no chance, but it seems very risky for a 1st round pick.

Langway 06-21-2009 04:15 PM

Is it still a risk if a weakness can be masked and minimized? It's not like he'd have to carry a line in DC in the coming years unless some drastic changes are made up front. Judging a guy's NHL potential just based on stats alone is a pretty faulty endeavor. Context matters, as does the inexact science of projecting a player's skill set to the NHL level.

Players that are that big, can skate as well as he does and has his finishing ability are going to be highly valued. Maybe not as much as in the old NHL but I wouldn't say he's as big of a risk overall as some in that range. It's a solid draft but it's not quite 2003-esque...and even then not every player panned out. His current baseline talent should allow him to at least be a checking line player. That's more than could be said for some in the back-end of the first potentially. There are question marks for pretty much every prospect once they're placed under the microscope. It's a matter of what can be minimized, overcome and developed.

In Ashton's case one could argue that had he stayed in a more prominent role his production would have just masked some of these underlying area (perhaps not upon closer scrutiny but merely stats-based judgments). Instead you get a down second half and the potential for a team to get a player that could have potentially gone much higher had his season finished up differently.

Unless they're heads over heels for O'Reilly, they should trade down if he's their guy. He should still be there a handful of spots later--if not more--unless he's really climbed up teams draft charts from the interview process.

bottleCAPS 06-22-2009 10:50 AM

there are 4 players i really covet at this position.

Leblanc, Palmeri, Kreider and O'Reilly.

there's a good chance that Leblanc is getting snatched up by Montreal, should they retain their pick. I also see Palmeri maybe going 1 or 2 picks before the 24th as well.

i'm not sold on Aston, saw him in the playoffs against Saskatoon and he looked pretty disinterested to say the least.

Langway 06-22-2009 12:15 PM

In addition to those four Holland, Morin, Ferraro and to a lesser extent Werek all seem like appealing options at 24. The depth in the draft leads to not really casting that small of a net on potential appealing players at 24...aside from whatever happens from picks 1-23.

Werek could mature into a bit of power forward and he already has the hands and head for the game to suggest scoring-line potential. He played for a pretty bad CHL team in Kingston so there could be a bit of a Green-like effect there.

Kreider's a real wild card. I waffle on him given the competition he played against. Seems to have all of the tools but you never know until he's forced to put it all together at higher levels.

CapsCrazy 06-22-2009 07:51 PM

Carl Klingberg is my pick. He already has an NHL body, can skate well, and isn't afraid to crash the net. Would bring some toughness with the ability to finish.

Not to mention most Swedes play the game so smartly, too.

TheFountainhead 06-23-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bottleCAPS (Post 20007628)
there are 4 players i really covet at this position.

Leblanc, Palmeri, Kreider and O'Reilly.

there's a good chance that Leblanc is getting snatched up by Montreal, should they retain their pick. I also see Palmeri maybe going 1 or 2 picks before the 24th as well.

i'm not sold on Aston, saw him in the playoffs against Saskatoon and he looked pretty disinterested to say the least.

Im on the Leblanc bandwagon.

CapsWolverinesUSA 06-23-2009 10:07 AM

I'm throwing my support behind Kreider, if he's available at #24. The competition thing is definitely an issue, but here's two things you can't teach: good size and elite speed. It's not a common combination, and at 6'2, 200+, with "explosive speed and acceleration" along with "exceptional" short-distance speed, Kreider's got them both.

NobodyBeatsTheWiz 06-23-2009 10:38 AM

Assuming no one slips 10+ spots, it's Leblanc, Kreider, Palmieri, Holland, De Haan, and Ferraro/O'Reilly for me, in that order.

dashtary* 06-23-2009 10:40 AM

anyone open to trading the pick?

mind_the_gap 06-23-2009 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bottleCAPS (Post 20007628)
there are 4 players i really covet at this position.

Leblanc, Palmeri, Kreider and O'Reilly.

there's a good chance that Leblanc is getting snatched up by Montreal, should they retain their pick. I also see Palmeri maybe going 1 or 2 picks before the 24th as well.

i'm not sold on Aston, saw him in the playoffs against Saskatoon and he looked pretty disinterested to say the least.

O'Reilly sounds like the perfect guy we need for the post season.

CapsWolverinesUSA 06-23-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dashtary (Post 20019289)
anyone open to trading the pick?

Absolutely. For a wide variety of returns.


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