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swiftsure1786 03-27-2004 02:57 PM

I thought I'd seen it all..
 
Over on the Bruins board theya re comparing Raycroft to Theo in his Hart and VEzina season, in fact many are sayinig he is better than Theo was then...i think i actually pity these fans...how can u possibly think such a thing........

prabak11 03-27-2004 03:02 PM

i defintly dont think raycroft is playing better than theo in his hart trophy season but he is playing better than theo right now and i think the same thing will happen to raycroft the next year after he gets a big contract and he starts playing average again!

and everyone here is saying that theo is back to his mvp form BUT HE'S NOT back to the mvp form!! the mvp theo makes the big saves constantly and he keeps the team in the game ALL the time!!

theo is still good but not as good as raycroft Right NOW or good as the mvp theo he was before!

KingJarl 03-27-2004 03:04 PM

Raycroft has better numbers this year than theo did when he won the Hart (except save %). However, Raycroft is playing behind a much better team than theo was.

prabak11 03-27-2004 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KingJarl
Raycroft has better numbers this year than theo did when he won the Hart (except save %). However, Raycroft is playing behind a much better team than theo was.

exactly...he does have a much better team and he doesnt make the big saves like theo did for us...raycroft does make big saves but definitly not as much theo did that year!

Jeffrey 03-27-2004 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by prabby
exactly...he does have a much better team and he doesnt make the big saves like theo did for us...raycroft does make big saves but definitly not as much theo did that year!

exactly i remember quite well...
theo did at that time approximately 5 goal-saving saves EACH GAME !!!
without theo that year montreal would have been the worst team in the NHL.period

chicpea* 03-27-2004 03:45 PM

That save percentage stat is very telling because Theo was facing a lot of shots that season. He not only made the 'big' saves, but he made more of them on a consistent basis.

psychonaut 03-27-2004 05:23 PM

Theo did great that a have a felling because the defense was so bad, so many shots keeps him going and pushes him to a new level. He is a great player but I have the fealing we shall never see that again. Hey, im glad a saw it once :yo:

We will se how Raycroft does in the playoff, if he steals the first round for boston then I but him in the same level as Theo, but he will be great im sure!!!

Guy! 03-28-2004 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by swiftsure1786
how can u possibly think such a thing........

Er...because his stats are amazing and even though he's behind a better team, they still have a somewhat weak defence. I think he's been amazing this year and if he keeps it up will probably challenge for the major trophies sooner or later. In fact, I'm not sure why Hab fans (or any other for that matter) would deny the comparison since not only is it valid, but the two are both very close. We may not like it so much, but the Bruins have themselves a real goaltender - first time in a long, long time.

ACF

loudi94 03-28-2004 12:18 AM

Theo had more work than him tonight. In fact you could probably say that just about every night. Save % well in Theo's favour this evening. But he lost.

Habsolution 03-28-2004 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Guy!
Er...because his stats are amazing and even though he's behind a better team, they still have a somewhat weak defence.

Their team defense is head and shoulders above the one we had back in 01-02 IMO. Our system (if you can call it a system) was to try to allow only shots from the outside and to chip it off the glass as soon as we had the puck. Puck possession and forechecking were inexistant. Basically our goal was to try to score the first goal and then hang on for dear life hoping Theo would bail us out.

Just for fun let's compare our forwards with what they have had all season long :

Joe Thornton VS A washed up Doug Gilmour who came into the season out of shape and only started lighting it up by january.

Glen Murray VS Richard Zednik who was starting to break out and scored 21 goals I think that season

Samsonov VS Petrov...

Rolston, Lapointe, Axelsson VS Juneau, Dakcell and another stiff

And Breezer and Dykhuis were our top dmen. I could go on but it would get repetitive. They are better at every positions than we were back then. The 01-02 habs and the 03-04 bruins teams aren't even comparable. We were never able to dominate other teams like the Bruins did tonight against us. There's no denying that Raycroft stats are helped by the fact the team he has in front of him is much better than what Theo had in front of him. And stats are pretty much the only argument you can use to argue that Raycroft has had just as good a season IMO.

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Originally Posted by Guy!
I think he's been amazing this year and if he keeps it up will probably challenge for the major trophies sooner or later.

Agreed. He's certainly my favourite for the calder at this point. He could even get consideration for the Vezina and is by most accounts the bruins MVP. Just an awesome season for the rookie.

As for the future. He's most probably got a great career ahead of himself. The skill is definately there and he's got very good composure. But who knows what the future is made of. Goalies are the most unpredictable players in the NHL.

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Originally Posted by Guy!
In fact, I'm not sure why Hab fans (or any other for that matter) would deny the comparison since not only is it valid, but the two are both very close.

The stats are comparable and even favour Raycroft a bit. But aren't the bruins statisticians the same guys who most people complain about because they award way too many shots ? I never had a chance to verify this but I hear that quite frequently.

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Originally Posted by Guy!
We may not like it so much, but the Bruins have themselves a real goaltender - first time in a long, long time.

I got nothing against Bruins, their fans and Raycroft (beside the fact I hate them all... :p ) but I just don't think his calder worthy season (and maybe even Vezina consideration worthy) compares with Theo's Hart and Vezina season. Raycroft might be the bruins MVP but Theo was the league MVP.

EaGLE1 03-28-2004 02:05 AM

Theo 2 years ago was like Luongo this year. Except that we've make the playoffs!!
Seriously, he did miracles that year. I think that Theo is like Luongo, the more you shoot on him, the better he is.


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