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shureshot66 06-30-2009 11:25 AM

Salary Cap/Lineup Discussion (Full contract chart 1st post)
 
2009-10 SEASON (UPDATED APRIL 13)

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from www.capgeek.com, which gets some info directly from Irish Blues. It's an interactive site that lets you tinker with rosters and has a bunch of nifty features. Check it out. Their daily cap tracker feature is represented below, as my own attempts to keep track have typically ended in miserable failure.


Official 2009-2010 salary ceiling: $56,800,000


PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
Forward.............
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Sidney Crosby
C
22
8,700,000
8,700,000
8,700,000
Evgeni Malkin
C
23
8,700,000
8,700,000
8,700,000
Jordan Staal
C
21
4,000,000
4,000,000
4,000,000
Chris Kunitz
LW
30
3,725,000
3,725,000
3,725,000
Alexei Ponikarovsky
LW
29
2,105,000
UFA
 
Bill Guerin
RW
38
2,000,000
UFA
 
Ruslan Fedotenko
LW
30
1,800,000
UFA
 
Pascal Dupuis
LW
30
1,400,000
1,400,000
UFA
Matt Cooke
LW
31
1,200,000
UFA
 
Maxime Talbot
C/W
25
1,050,000
1,050,000
UFA
Mike Rupp
LW
29
825,000
825,000
UFA
Eric Godard
RW
29
750,000
750,000
UFA
Tyler Kennedy
RW
23
725,000
725,000
RFA
Craig Adams
RW
32
550,000
550,000
UFA
Defense..............
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Sergei Gonchar
D
35
5,000,000
UFA
 
Brooks Orpik
D
29
3,750,000
3,750,000
3,750,000
Mark Eaton
D
32
2,000,000
UFA
 
Alex Goligoski
D
24
1,833,333
1,833,333
1,833,333
Jordan Leopold
D
29
1,750,000
UFA
 
Kris Letang
D
22
835,000
3,500,000
3,500,000
Jay McKee
D
32
800,000
UFA
 
Goalie.................
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Marc-Andre Fleury
G
25
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
Brent Johnson
G
32
525,000
600,000
600,000



WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS
Forward
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Keven Veilleux
C
20
854,167
854,167
854,167
Eric Tangradi
LW
20
845,833
845,833
845,833
Nick Johnson
RW
23
592,500
RFA
 
Joe Vitale
C
24
550,000
512,500
512,500
Dustin Jeffrey
C
21
508,333
508,333
RFA
Ryan Bayda
LW
28
500,000
UFA
 
Wade Brookbank
W/D
32
500,000
UFA
 
Chris Conner
RW
25
500,000
RFA
 
Mark Letestu
C
24
500,000
500,000
RFA
Wyatt Smith
C
32
500,000
UFA
 
Tim Wallace
RW
25
500,000
500,000
RFA
Aaron Boogaard
RW
23
493,333
RFA
 
Defense..........
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Brian Strait
D
21
861,667
861,667
861,667
Steve Wagner
D
25
575,000
RFA
 
Robert Bortuzzo
D
20
535,000
535,000
535,000
Jon D'Aversa
D
23
525,000
RFA
 
Chris Lee
D
29
500,000
UFA
 
Ben Lovejoy
D
25
500,000
RFA
 
Deryk Engelland
D
27
492,500
RFA
 
Goalie.............
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Brad Thiessen
G
23
875,000
875,000
RFA
John Curry
G
25
500,000
500,000
RFA



WHEELING NAILERS
Forward
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Casey Pierro-Zabotel
LW
20
850,000
850,000
850,000
Joey Haddad
LW
20
513,333
513,333
RFA
Defense................
Pos.
Age
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12
Alex Grant
D
20
790,000
790,000
790,000



SIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team
Contract
Simon Despres
D
18
Saint John (QMJHL)
3 years/900,000 per



UNSIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team (League)
Sergei Anshakov
F
25
CSKA (KHL)
Andy Bathgate
F
18
Belleville (OHL)
Nick D'Agostino
D
19
Cornell (NCAA)
Patrick Ehelechner
G
25
Nürmberg (DEL)
Viktor Ekbom
D
20
Linkoping (SEL)
Brian Gifford
F
23
Denver (NCAA)
Ben Hanowski
F
18
St. Cloud State (NCAA)
Patrick Killeen
G
19
Brampton (OHL)
Nathan Moon
F
19
Kingston (OHL)
Alexander Pechurski
G
19
Tri-City (WHL)
Nick Petersen
F
20
Saint John (QMJHL)
Johannes Salmonsson
F
23
Davos (NLA)
Philip Samuelsson
D
18
Boston College (NCAA)
Timo Seppänen
D
22
KalPa (SML)
Carl Sneep
D
21
Boston College (NCAA)
Alex Velischek
D
18
Providence (NCAA)

shureshot66 06-30-2009 11:27 AM

for use after the old one gets locked.

bigd 06-30-2009 11:50 AM

Most of the Pens entry level contracts have bonus clauses of 82 games played to bring them up to entry level max so the player will get the max signing bonus. But as soon as the the first NHL game is played their cap hit drops. For instance a player like Grant may have an NHL salary of 600,000 with a bonus of 275,000 if he plays all 82 games. As soon as that first NHL game is played, and he's not in it, his cap hit is lowered. I think all their entry level contracts are like that except Tangrady, who's contract was given out by the some other team and Letangs.

TravisUlrich 06-30-2009 12:09 PM

Very nice job, Shureshot. :clap:

I look forward to giving this a thorough analysis and entering the discussion.

TravisUlrich 06-30-2009 12:13 PM

Janne Pesonen: "Pittsburgh is going to be the No. 1 option because I already know the organization and coaches and a lot of players. That would be the No. 1 option, but we’ll see."

I'd love to see Janne Pesonen re-signed and given a shot at our top 6. The man was 4th in AHL scoring with 82 points, highest ever for a Baby Pen, I believe (maybe someone can confirm that for me). He must know Bylsma well. I just never felt like he was given a fair shot, and he wasn't given any after MT was gone (not that there was any room to mess around with the roster at that point).

shureshot66 06-30-2009 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravisUlrich (Post 20153966)
Janne Pesonen: "Pittsburgh is going to be the No. 1 option because I already know the organization and coaches and a lot of players. That would be the No. 1 option, but we’ll see."

I'd love to see Janne Pesonen re-signed and given a shot at our top 6. The man was 4th in AHL scoring with 82 points, highest ever for a Baby Pen, I believe (maybe someone can confirm that for me). He must know Bylsma well. I just never felt like he was given a fair shot, and he wasn't given any after MT was gone (not that there was any room to mess around with the roster at that point).

i think he'll see if he gets any bites on a one-way contract in the next few days. i don't think he'll get one, though, so there's a chance he could be back.

Coach John McGuirk 06-30-2009 02:16 PM

The Zigomanis thing is a bit of a depressing note. I think we could really use a solid faceoff guy to put on the ice in key situations, and he was a good 4th line center as well as PK guy.

Best of luck, Zigomanis.

JTG 06-30-2009 02:22 PM

I really can't see RS giving him a one way contract with who we have coming back. DB would have to do some hardcore lobbying for him, IMO.

Big McLargehuge 06-30-2009 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shureshot66 (Post 20156535)
i think he'll see if he gets any bites on a one-way contract in the next few days. i don't think he'll get one, though, so there's a chance he could be back.

Yeah, that seems very likely. I doubt any NHL team would give him one, so if he's comfortable then why not?

Maybe he'll actually get more than four shifts a game on the rare occasion he makes the line-up.

Pick87your71Poison 06-30-2009 02:31 PM

Zigomanis would have been nice, but we have young guys that are ready I think to play that type of a role like Jeffrey, so it shouldn't kill us. All in all, can't complain about anythign that has happened so far.

Burgs 06-30-2009 03:07 PM

Any word on the RFAs who played in Europe last season - Salmonsson, Fernholm, Ardelan, Ehelechner? Or has Shero finally cut them loose? Not that they'll ever make it to the show anyway.

shureshot66 06-30-2009 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burgs (Post 20157884)
Any word on the RFAs who played in Europe last season - Salmonsson, Fernholm, Ardelan, Ehelechner? Or has Shero finally cut them loose? Not that they'll ever make it to the show anyway.

the pens still own all of their NHL rights, but it's hard to imagine any of them coming over at this point. i think there are a few other incredibly random russians -- isakov, malenkykh -- in the same boat.

i guess i still keep salmonsson on the chart because he was a second-round pick. should probably dump anshakov and ehelechner from it one of these days.

66_Lemieux_66 06-30-2009 03:22 PM

Nice job, p4l...

Jacob 06-30-2009 03:32 PM

I think if they don't re-sign Zigomanis it's a mistake. Not a colossal mistake or anything, but a mistake none-the-less.

Only thing that I can come up with is if they plan on putting Talbot back on that 4th line, but he's overqualified for such a role.

Otherwise, I don't see much competition for that spot and I think we're going to be hurting in the face-off circle yet again. Usually teams that win the Stanley Cup don't have many glaring weaknesses, but the Penguins most obvious one is and will probably continue to be face-offs. And it can be drastically improved without breaking the bank or giving up any assets.

jdpitt05 06-30-2009 03:55 PM

I too am surprised about Zigomanis. I mean faceoff is an obvious weakness on this team and we can turn it into a strength for around 700k. What if Lidstrom's shot would have went in and we end up losing in game 7? We couldn't win a faceoff at the end of that period. Zigomanis was cleanly beating Zetterberg at the end of that 7-6 OT game. I don't get this move, especially with Adams only at .550 I thought that would open the door to get him signed as well.

Kinguin 06-30-2009 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shureshot66 (Post 20153042)
for use after the old one gets locked.

BTW, this could be done immediately.
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Great job, SS66. :handclap:

ColePens 06-30-2009 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdpitt05 (Post 20159242)
I too am surprised about Zigomanis. I mean faceoff is an obvious weakness on this team and we can turn it into a strength for around 700k. What if Lidstrom's shot would have went in and we end up losing in game 7? We couldn't win a faceoff at the end of that period. Zigomanis was cleanly beating Zetterberg at the end of that 7-6 OT game. I don't get this move, especially with Adams only at .550 I thought that would open the door to get him signed as well.

I use that game as a clear reason why Zigomanis is worth more than we think around here. He cleanly won 2 faceoffs that lead directly to goals, and one of them was the GTG w/ 30 seconds left.

That's not a luxury... that's what winning team's do.

Captain Hook 06-30-2009 04:21 PM

Bill Thomas was getting to be awesome on the draws before MT got fired. DB didn't seem as high on him as MT and sent him down as soon as he was hired. I guess BT doesn't do much else than win draws good. Does Ziggy? He didn't seem to be that physical to me and I don't remember him blocking a lot of shots or anything. He just seemed like a face off guy, but was kinda soft too, not much grit.

The Pens Are Back* 06-30-2009 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdpitt05 (Post 20159242)
I too am surprised about Zigomanis. I mean faceoff is an obvious weakness on this team and we can turn it into a strength for around 700k. What if Lidstrom's shot would have went in and we end up losing in game 7? We couldn't win a faceoff at the end of that period. Zigomanis was cleanly beating Zetterberg at the end of that 7-6 OT game. I don't get this move, especially with Adams only at .550 I thought that would open the door to get him signed as well.

what if it was ziggo out there, and he lost the draw too... and wasn't quick enough or determined enough to try and block lidstrom shot and gave nick more room to hit the net tying the game up.


just sayin

Darth Vitale 06-30-2009 06:05 PM

Don't assume Molinari has any real information about Zigomanis. Based on his story it looks like 100% guess. What his agent says doesn't mean squat, as we saw last summer. Agents will say anything to turn up the pressure to negotiate, etc. They are basically shifty ******** where everything they say must be taken with a tablespoon of salt.

shureshot66 06-30-2009 06:08 PM

i'd like to see shero give zanon's agent a call right off the bat. see if his price would be significantly less than scuderi's and go from there.

shureshot66 06-30-2009 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippo (Post 20165212)
Don't assume Molinari has any real information about Zigomanis. Based on his story it looks like 100% guess. What his agent says doesn't mean squat, as we saw last summer. Agents will say anything to turn up the pressure to negotiate, etc. They are basically shifty ******** where everything they say must be taken with a tablespoon of salt.

in general, i agree with you. but i think in this case, we've seen it mentioned a few times in the PG and trib that it was going to be one of either adams or zigomanis. i'd imagine shero intimated as much to reporters.

Big McLargehuge 06-30-2009 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shureshot66 (Post 20165310)
i'd like to see shero give zanon's agent a call right off the bat. see if his price would be significantly less than scuderi's and go from there.

Agreed 100%.


Zanon is the best Plan B option out there.

Darth Vitale 06-30-2009 06:25 PM

If we can retain Feds and sign any of: Gionta (not sure how much room NJ has now after signing Oduya to a pretty pricey deal (around $3M per); Beauchemin; or Kotalik, I'd be pretty damn happy we did all we could to shore up the roster for a Cup defense. Kotalik is not an ideal fit but he'd be more effective over the course of a season than either an aging Satan or Sykora (who, let's face it: they're not going to play with the same intensity during the regular season). Thus we would have improved our team some over last year.

Kunitz - Crosby - Guerin
Feds - Geno - Kotalik
Cooke - Staal - Kennedy
Max - Jeffrey - Godard

...would still be a better team than having Satan and Sykora on those RW slots. I know Max can do more than 4th line but OTOH having a guy with some added confidence down there, playing with a rookie C, could be a big help and add some 4th line scoring.

Kunitz - Crosby - Guerin
Feds - Geno - Gionta
Cooke - Staal - Kennedy
Max - Jeffrey - Godard

...would be amazing but a long-shot. Not financially impossible (especially if we can move Dupuis or just decide to eat his salary) but certainly very tough to make work.

As for the D,

Orpik - Gonch
Letang - Zanon
Goligoski - Eaton

could certainly work very well.

Get both Gionta and Zanon somehow and we will be sitting very pretty indeed. Otherwise take a risk and put Lovejoy in Zanon's spot and see how it goes. If we have to get a FA at the deadline so be it.

Gooch 06-30-2009 06:45 PM

It's scary that they are really considering bringing Hal Gill back


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