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417 03-30-2004 04:32 PM

OK...I'll get off the Perreault bashing...
 
since so much poster's here all of a sudden have fallen in love with his game, for like 2 weeks i've been trying to convince everybody and their grandmothers that he has no business on the 1st line with Koivu and Zednik, and to this day, I still see lineups with his name on the 1st line...so from now on, i'll get off it...I'll just let his performances speak for himself...if he does well, i'll be the first one to admit that I was terribly wrong, but if he falters, like I know he will, i'll have to resurrect this thread :D:

Mooch 03-30-2004 04:39 PM

well, the only problem with your perreaut argument is that it applies to others as well. Sure perreault is weak, soft, slow, but is Ribs not the same?

417 03-30-2004 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooch
well, the only problem with your perreaut argument is that it applies to others as well. Sure perreault is weak, soft, slow, but is Ribs not the same?

Yes, however, if Perreault had managed to beat out Ribeiro for one of the teams top 2 center's positions, then i would be bashing Ribeiro, if people had him penciled in as a LW'er on koivu's wing...I'm not trying to attack Perreault, i'm just trying to prove that unless he beats out Koivu or Ribeiro, he should be on the bench, cause he's not a winger and he's not a 3rd or 4th line center...

Ontario Habsfan 03-30-2004 05:07 PM

Well 417, it looks like I joined this board just in time for you. I have been watching Perreault this year and have't been pleased. After last years mid-season collapse I expected a turnaround back to the way he was in 2002. It drove me crazy when I would see him out on the power play. I've been saying get him off he's useless. He's a -8. Yes, he can win Faceoffs but that only goes so far. I know he was rejuvenated on the Koivu line but now he's cooling off and will go back to the slumping player he was. IMHO, if in these last 3 games he does nothing, sit him in the playoffs until needed...

Better prepare to defend myself :) :dunce:

Mooch 03-30-2004 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ontario Habsfan
Well 417, it looks like I joined this board just in time for you. I have been watching Perreault this year and have't been pleased. After last years mid-season collapse I expected a turnaround back to the way he was in 2002. It drove me crazy when I would see him out on the power play. I've been saying get him off he's useless. He's a -8. Yes, he can win Faceoffs but that only goes so far. I know he was rejuvenated on the Koivu line but now he's cooling off and will go back to the slumping player he was. IMHO, if in these last 3 games he does nothing, sit him in the playoffs until needed...

Better prepare to defend myself :) :dunce:

Your now on my hate list, youd better watch out NEW guy :lol

Traitor8 03-30-2004 05:12 PM

Perreault is good..he is good on faceoffs, he can shoot the puck and he is an underrated passer. he is contributing so why not keep him there. Now Dagenais..that's one guy who shouldn't be in the lineup when everybody is healthy.

KILLger 03-30-2004 05:16 PM

OK...I'll get off the Perreault bashing...
 
when he's gone.

He wins faceoffs and can score goals... when he's "hot". When he's not, he's just a complete liability. Ask mr Bo Wap Wap! :rant:

Mooch 03-30-2004 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLger
when he's gone.

He wins faceoffs and can score goals... when he's "hot". When he's not, he's just a complete liability. Ask mr Bo Wap Wap! :rant:

who?

Ontario Habsfan 03-30-2004 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Komisarek8
Now Dagenais..that's one guy who shouldn't be in the lineup when everybody is healthy.

Yeah, he faded kind of fast didn't he...He's been useless lately. I think his time is past.

KILLger 03-30-2004 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooch
who?

:rant:

Traitor8 03-30-2004 05:20 PM

I don't know why you guys are *****ing...I would rather have Perreault on my 1st line then anybody else (other then Kovalev) who is not playing on the top6.

Dagenais..pfffff.
Bulis.can't put the puck in the net if his life depended on it

Maybe I would try Ward but other then that..nobody else.

417 03-30-2004 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Komisarek8
Perreault is good..he is good on faceoffs, he can shoot the puck and he is an underrated passer. he is contributing so why not keep him there. Now Dagenais..that's one guy who shouldn't be in the lineup when everybody is healthy.

I know I said i'd get off the bashing Perreault thing, but one last thing ;) Since Perreault has been playing wing, there's one thing i've noticed that's now been magnified 100x, it's his horrible passing, several times the past few games i've seen him get the puck in the neutral zone, he would try a cross ice pass to Zednik or whoever is wide open on the other wing, and he would always, and I mean always, pass the puck behind him, I know Perreault's got a heavy wrist shot, but that dosen't mean he has to use when HE'S PASSING THE PUCK....ok, i'm sorry for that outburst

Mooch 03-30-2004 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLger
:rant:

What?

KILLger 03-30-2004 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Komisarek8
I don't know why you guys are *****ing...I would rather have Perreault on my 1st line then anybody else (other then Kovalev) who is not playing on the top6.

Dagenais..pfffff.
Bulis.can't put the puck in the net if his life depended on it

Maybe I would try Ward but other then that..nobody else.

Cos our offense sucks?

The reason you think Perreault is our best option on the 1st line is where lies the problem, we lack top-6 forwards.

I'd still take Sundström and Bulis over Perreault. Both can pass the puck and skate well while being good defensive players. Perreault... can win faceoffs.

KILLger 03-30-2004 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooch
What?

He is mr Bo Wap Wap...

I think it's from the old board... been on the boards for too long and you're pretty new around here, sorry.

417 03-30-2004 05:30 PM

If it wasn't for that period of time when Koivu and Zednik were hot and Perreault rode shotgun and picked up the scraps from their hardwork, we wouldn't be even having this discussion...

Howie Morenz 03-30-2004 06:54 PM

Once the postseason starts Yanic shouldn't be anywhere near the top lines. The game will be tighter with more grinding and corner work done to create scoring chances. Two points of Yanic's game that are in dire need of :help:

Traitor8 03-30-2004 06:59 PM

No way Will Bulis,Dagenais or Sundstrom do more grit work around the corners then Perreault....

I would try ward like I SAID but other then that...Perreaulthas the right to be there.

jcpenny 03-30-2004 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Komisarek8
No way Will Bulis,Dagenais or Sundstrom do more grit work around the corners then Perreault....

I would try ward like I SAID but other then that...Perreaulthas the right to be there.

You've got to be Kidding. All 3 of them are better than Perreault in the corners, even dagenais! Perreault always loses the puck when he gets touched. Watch him tomorrow.

Fish on The Sand 03-30-2004 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Howie Morenz
Once the postseason starts Yanic shouldn't be anywhere near the top lines. The game will be tighter with more grinding and corner work done to create scoring chances. Two points of Yanic's game that are in dire need of :help:

maybe you should look at Perreault's playoff stats. Nothing special, but they are basically a mirror of his regular season stats. The guy has played the same game for years, and has had success with it. why should we just give up on him now? if ever player was the high scoring grind out in the corners guy we'd be a powerhouse. the fact is every team has guys like perreault. hell naslund never skates outside the faceoff circles, yet you dont see canucks fans complaining.

KILLger 03-30-2004 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish on The Sand
maybe you should look at Perreault's playoff stats. Nothing special, but they are basically a mirror of his regular season stats. The guy has played the same game for years, and has had success with it. why should we just give up on him now? if ever player was the high scoring grind out in the corners guy we'd be a powerhouse. the fact is every team has guys like perreault. hell naslund never skates outside the faceoff circles, yet you dont see canucks fans complaining.

Please, don't use Naslund's style or whatever when talking about Perreault. Naslund skates circles around Perreault and shoots better... no point in bringing Naslund's name..

Perreault was often benched by Toronto when the going got rough and when it counted the most. He sucks in the POs, bottom line.

Fish on The Sand 03-30-2004 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLger
Please, don't use Naslund's style or whatever when talking about Perreault. Naslund skates circles around Perreault and shoots better... no point in bringing Naslund's name..

Perreault was often benched by Toronto when the going got rough and when it counted the most. He sucks in the POs, bottom line.

bottom line he doesnt suck in the playoffs. look at the damn stats.

KILLger 03-30-2004 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish on The Sand
bottom line he doesnt suck in the playoffs. look at the damn stats.

Look at Dagenais' stats and then come and tell me he's the future PF we're all looking for + a scorer as he's 6'5 and scores at every 3 games or so...

What kind of an argument is that? "Look at the stats" WATCH HIM PLAY. Damn.

jcpenny 03-30-2004 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish on The Sand
bottom line he doesnt suck in the playoffs. look at the damn stats.

I remember quite well that most of his points were on the powerplay during those playoffs and even though he had good stats, Therrien couldnt stand him because of his lack of intensity and physical play. He did scored some big powerplay goals but he wasnt even playing on the top two lines. Maybe that is how we should use him in the playoffs.

Medicine Twin 03-30-2004 10:39 PM

I'm not a Perreault fan, at all, but I really don't think there are much better options. We just seem to be kinda short on guys that can finish. Ward may be an interesting option though.


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