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BDubinskyNYR17* 04-05-2004 01:37 PM

Jan Marek, Petr Prucha and Jarkko Immonen
 
Do you guys think that Prucha and Marek can be Rangers versions of Zetterberg and Datsyuk? Look at their euro stats?


Henrik Zetterberg 6' 190 23 years old 7th Round pick 210th overall in 99

2000-01 Timra IK SEL 47 15 31 46 24
2001-02 Timra IK SEL 48 10 22 32 20

Pavel Datsyuk 5'11 185 25 years old 6th Round Pick 171th overall in 98

1997-98 Yekaterinburg Dynamo Russia 24 3 5 8 4
1999-00 Yekaterinburg Dynamo Russia 15 1 3 4 2
2000-01 Kazan Ak-Bars Russia 42 9 17 26 10


Petr Prucha 5'11 172 21 years old 8th Round Pick 240th overall in 2002

2001-02 Pardubice Czech Jr. 25 33 23 56 14
2001-02 Czech Republic WJC 7 1 0 1 2
2002-03 Pardubice Czech Rep. 49 7 9 16 12
2003-04 Pardubice HC Czech 48 11 13 24 24

Jan Marek 5'10 185 24 years old 8th Round Pick 243th overall in 2003

1998-99 Trinec Ocelari HC Czech 32 2 2 4 2 6 0 0 0 0
1999-00 Trinec Ocelari HC Czech 32 1 5 6 4
2000-01 Trinec Ocelari HC Czech 38 7 4 11 2
2001-02 Trinec Ocelari HC Czech 52 13 27 40 44 6 1 3 4 6
2002-03 Trinec Ocelari HC Czech 51 32 30 62 42 12 6 4 10 22
2003-04 Sparta Praha Czech 50 21 30 51 62

Jarkko Immonen 6'0 187 21 years old 8th round choice 254th overall in 2002

2001-02 Assat Pori FNL 44 0 2 2 6 -- -- -- -- --
2002-03 JyP HT Jyvaskyla FNL 56 10 23 33 34
2003-04 JyP HT Jyvaskyla FNL 52 23 26 49 28

Now look at each player. Pavel Datsyuk did not really break out in scoring in Europe till 2000-2001. Henrik Zetterberg has had good stats in europe. Now Prucha has had decent stats but has been a playmaker this season and a good one. Marek on the other hand has been scoring and im shocked no one really mentioned him. What u guys think?? Think we got some gems, maybe Marek can step in and surprise people the way he has been scoring?? I think Immonen can be a Sundstrom type.

in the hall 04-05-2004 01:53 PM

its all about skill, you cant just base it on stats

with that said a person i know from finland that has seen immonen many times says hes one of the better players hes seen out of finland and says he is a second liner in the nhl no doubt in his mind.... it seems all the people that have SEEN immonen are very high on him so i wont doubt their opinion since it is consistent

MisterUnspoken 04-05-2004 01:55 PM

yeah it just really depends on if they want to take a chance and let them show what they can do. Really they should take a hard look at every single prospect and evaluate them and determine if they can play the N American game. I'd like for them to see what Leonid Zvachin can do on defense as well. He might be something special as well.

A stay at home defenseman who played for the Podolsk Jr. team in a Russian Jr. league. A big, strong, physical player who has great defensive awareness and gets the job done in his own zone. If he develops his game over the next couple of seasons, he could turn into a good 5th or 6th defenseman in the NHL.

nyr7andcounting 04-05-2004 02:06 PM

as in the hall said, it's about the skill of the player. Stats can be misleading when evaluating wether or not a player can play in the NHL. With that heres what I think about those stats:

a- Although Datsyuk didn't score much, most young players dont score very much in Russia it seems. 26 points in his last year over there is actually a pretty good year.

b- Marek had pretty good numbers the last 2 years in czech rep., but I think at best he will be a Jan Hlavac type of player. A guy who points up some points in Europe and comes over late, pretty much unknown, and if put in the right situation with the right players can be a solid offensive player (as Hlavac was with his first stint with NYR)

c- Immonen has a real chance to be a good player for us, no matter his stats

leafaholix* 04-05-2004 02:39 PM

Jarkko Immonen :bow:

He's very good... if anyone's seen Robert Reichel on a regular basis, apparentely he's similar in style to Reichel. I think he's got better vision.

BDubinskyNYR17* 04-05-2004 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leafaholix
Jarkko Immonen :bow:

He's very good... if anyone's seen Robert Reichel on a regular basis, apparentely he's similar in style to Reichel. I think he's got better vision.

nah I think Reichel is garbage. I think maybe a Renberg type who is good on PK and defensive coverage.

leafaholix* 04-05-2004 03:13 PM

Reichel is used on the PK and is a great defensive player.

He was also a great offensive player in his early days.

There's no way Immonen resembles Renberg, he's much smaller and plays a finesse game. Renberg does all the dirty work and has done nothing in terms of offense since his Philadelphia days.

Park #2 04-05-2004 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyr7andcounting
as in the hall said, it's about the skill of the player. Stats can be misleading when evaluating wether or not a player can play in the NHL. With that heres what I think about those stats:

a- Although Datsyuk didn't score much, most young players dont score very much in Russia it seems. 26 points in his last year over there is actually a pretty good year.

b- Marek had pretty good numbers the last 2 years in czech rep., but I think at best he will be a Jan Hlavac type of player. A guy who points up some points in Europe and comes over late, pretty much unknown, and if put in the right situation with the right players can be a solid offensive player (as Hlavac was with his first stint with NYR)

c- Immonen has a real chance to be a good player for us, no matter his stats

Hlavac was very well known when he came over - in fact he was considered the best European player not in the NHL. He held out from the NHL and had no desire to come over until the Rangers traded for his rights on draft day. The Islanders owned him and traded him to Calgary the year before.

That said, I like Prucha very much despite his size concerns. I predict he will be the story of camp when/if it occurs.

Bird Law 04-06-2004 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Park #2
Hlavac was very well known when he came over - in fact he was considered the best European player not in the NHL. He held out from the NHL and had no desire to come over until the Rangers traded for his rights on draft day. The Islanders owned him and traded him to Calgary the year before.

That said, I like Prucha very much despite his size concerns. I predict he will be the story of camp when/if it occurs.

I have been praising Prucha since we drafted him. Everyone knows I've been high on him since my Euro trip last year.

I really should change my handle to PruchaIsGod ;xxx.

leafaholix* 04-06-2004 02:00 AM

Or maybe "go petr prucha"... ?

;)

(go kim johnsson, go pierre hedin)

n8 04-06-2004 02:20 AM

has anyone seen marek? i wouldn't be so quick to compare him to hlavac without getting a first hand account. talent wise, one might be able to compare the two but how is marek's heart and desire? that LITTLE difference might just be the what could separate the two from lethargic deadwood and high powered european. also, development will be a big deal. who know's what type of player hlavac might have been if the czechmates were kept together? maybe some friends and confidence could have made hlavac into a B version naslund. IT'S ALWAYS TOO EARLY TO TELL!!!


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