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robdicks 09-22-2009 03:13 PM

interesting article on pricing at the ACC
 
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Howar...nsible/3/23136



about how tonights preseason game matches up with seasons tix in the 70s
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EazyB97 09-22-2009 03:17 PM

To bring up the cost in the 70's doesn't really validate his point at all, but pre-season seats should be at a reduced cost. There are some factors he doesn't mention for STH's, but it's still a decent point (imagine that, from Berger). Too much money for a poor product.

Jordan 09-22-2009 04:03 PM

I have a ticket stub from Nov. 3, 1990 at Maple Leaf Gardens

Gold seats, 2nd row in the corner on the players bench side. $34 (tax incl.) each.

Jan. 31, 1996...Gold section 17 (behind the Leafs bench, had to access your seats by going through the Leafs bench), 3rd row....$82.50 each.

Jeffler 09-22-2009 04:16 PM

To be fair, it would be unrealistic to assume tickets keep the same price as the 70's. Even with inflation, that would make platinums $36.

LeafErikson* 09-22-2009 04:19 PM

We're still being gouged to death for those tickets. It's any wonder the arena sounds like a funeral. The best fans can't afford to go to the games.

Mr_Fun 09-22-2009 04:23 PM

I think he (Berger) makes some fair points, although I'm waiting for the obligatory, "he just hates the Leafs" post to come. ;)

joepeps 09-22-2009 04:30 PM

notice the difference between a Preseason and Reg season home game...
Or The real Fans that go to other cities to watch and cheer....

It ACTUALLY helps the team play better and win...

but money is the only issue here... why not charge corporations double and limit the corporate season tickets?

same amount of money, just less tickets going to greedy and business deals....

Charge them more and charge the real fans less...

Daisy Jane 09-22-2009 04:36 PM

because that makes SENSE.

Quakmybush 09-22-2009 04:38 PM

Supply and demand, that is all.

But, if Hamilton gets a team look for corporations to go there with the clients, because tickets will be cheaper. (That's an assumption)

Garbs 09-22-2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Berger: interesting
nope

robdicks 09-22-2009 05:29 PM

i know its the 70s, but the simple fact that the price of one game now got you seasons back then is just sickening

EazyB97 09-22-2009 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robdicks (Post 21220391)
i know its the 70s, but the simple fact that the price of one game now got you seasons back then is just sickening

Not really. The case of coke back then will get you a single can now. It's inflation. Yes, it's gone up dramatically, but he'd be better off comparing it to the inflation of other teams instead of 30 years ago.

eric71* 09-22-2009 09:07 PM

He's just trying to get back on our [the fans] side with a sympathetic article.

BruinsBtn 09-22-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EazyB97 (Post 21224010)
Not really. The case of coke back then will get you a single can now. It's inflation. Yes, it's gone up dramatically, but he'd be better off comparing it to the inflation of other teams instead of 30 years ago.

Real world inflation has been nowhere near as high as ticket inflation. He shows that season ticket inflation has been about 90x ... To compare, if a Coke cost 10-cents in 1975, it would cost $9.00 today if real-world inflation had kept up with hockey ticket inflation.

aussieleaf 09-22-2009 09:25 PM

so you can get a season pass for 30k, how much do you reckon you could make off that ticket?

dougieg93 09-22-2009 09:32 PM

It is a little bit of supply and demand, however you can't factor inflation without talking about the increase in monetary instruments into the economy (paper money). In theory you can't have this much inflation without introducing false credit into the system.

With all what the governments and central banks are doing, i won't be surprised if inflation and maybe hyperinflation is going to be a sign of the times.

ACC1224 09-23-2009 10:10 AM

a) not everyone needs to sit in the golds or platinums
b) no one is forcing anyone to buy the tickets
c) STH get a discount. We don't pay the price on the ticket, in my case $17 less per seat

EazyB97 09-23-2009 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruinsButton (Post 21224685)
Real world inflation has been nowhere near as high as ticket inflation. He shows that season ticket inflation has been about 90x ... To compare, if a Coke cost 10-cents in 1975, it would cost $9.00 today if real-world inflation had kept up with hockey ticket inflation.

And are the Leafs different than say the Yankees, Red Sox, Habs in this category? Even different than the movies/theatre? Those are what your comparisons should be.

dubplatepressure 09-23-2009 10:23 AM

I heard somewhere that last year the most expensive seat at Joe Louis Arena was like $85 USD.


Unreal... I think I'm gonna plan some roadies this year.

ACC1224 09-23-2009 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeafErikson (Post 21219602)
We're still being gouged to death for those tickets. It's any wonder the arena sounds like a funeral. The best fans can't afford to go to the games.

That's a pretty unfair statement.

EazyB97 09-23-2009 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubplatepressure (Post 21229658)
I heard somewhere that last year the most expensive seat at Joe Louis Arena was like $85 USD.


Unreal... I think I'm gonna plan some roadies this year.

They can't sell seats there. I went to one playoff game and a few friends went to another (both second round games). Only time I had trouble getting seats was in the finals there.

EdBelfour20 09-23-2009 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joepeps (Post 21219744)
notice the difference between a Preseason and Reg season home game...
Or The real Fans that go to other cities to watch and cheer....

It ACTUALLY helps the team play better and win...

but money is the only issue here... why not charge corporations double and limit the corporate season tickets?

same amount of money, just less tickets going to greedy and business deals....

Charge them more and charge the real fans less...

agreed 100% on helping the team win. The ironic thing: if MLSE would run some promos to get real fans in the seats for big games and the Leafs in turn won those games thanks to fan support, that could mean playoffs which = BIG profits. They would earn back those monies and more.

mooseOAK* 09-23-2009 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruinsButton (Post 21224685)
Real world inflation has been nowhere near as high as ticket inflation. He shows that season ticket inflation has been about 90x ... To compare, if a Coke cost 10-cents in 1975, it would cost $9.00 today if real-world inflation had kept up with hockey ticket inflation.

More factories can be built to supply Coke to the masses but there is a limit to the number seats in a hockey rink.

Supply and demand, the population of Toronto has increased maybe 3-fold since the 70's but there are only 3000-4000 more seats in the ACC compared to MLG meaning about a 25% increase.

NoamHemsky 09-23-2009 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruinsButton (Post 21224685)
Real world inflation has been nowhere near as high as ticket inflation. He shows that season ticket inflation has been about 90x ... To compare, if a Coke cost 10-cents in 1975, it would cost $9.00 today if real-world inflation had kept up with hockey ticket inflation.

It does cost $9 dollars... at the Leaf games ;)

NoamHemsky 09-23-2009 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mooseOAK (Post 21229806)
More factories can be built to supply Coke to the masses but there is a limit to the number seats in a hockey rink.

Supply and demand, the population of Toronto has increased maybe 3-fold since the 70's but there are only 3000-4000 more seats in the ACC compared to MLG meaning about a 25% increase.

It's as simple as that. Not sure why we always have to cover this.

MLSE is a business, if people don't want to pay the price, then they shouldn't buy the tickets. Not like you can't watch them on TV for free.


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