trades to help the leafs
 

to tml: rayan malone 4m
to tbl: hagman 3m and mayer 1.333m (i.o.u from last year for taking their garbage at the trade deadline)

to tml: jordin tootoo .975 + 2nd
to nsh: poni 2.105m

to tml: patrick sharp 3.9m + 3rd
to chi: grabs 2.9m

to tml: steve bernier 2m or ryan kesler 1.750m
to van: stajan 1.750m and ian white .850

hopefully i made it fair fair for both teams
can these trades help them what do you think
and what else would you do to help them become a contender
(please no outrajouse trades ie.crosby for blake ect...)

:cry:

And here we go again.

I would love to add partick sharp, but you may have to take the third away and add poni.
to tor- patrick sharp
to chi- poni and garbs
dont even think poni or grabs would be an upgrade in there top six.

You know trades need to help both teams. The Nashville one is the only trade that may help the other team.
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Not sure why I am bothering, but...

Vancouver wouldn't do it for Bernier either!

Bernier is the only player we have with power forward potential. He's the most aggressive player we have in the top 9 as well and is looking much better already this year than he did last year, after spending the offseason working hard and getting ready for the season.

Why would the Canucks trade him at all for Stajan? And that's all it comes down to, as the Canucks already have 7 NHL caliber dmen, and don't have a need for White at all.

The Canucks need to add more physical presence up front - as I've said a million times as a reason why it makes no sense to deal Bernier unless you're getting equal physical presence back, which obviously Stajan isn't.

But you were right about Kesler... no way he gets dealt for that package... but even Bernier isn't a guy who's going to be moved for something like that, which doesn't address their needs, while creating a bigger hole in an area they need to add more in (top 9 physical presence on the team).

Also Toronto will need a faster D corps if they ever want to compete with Pittsburgh, Washington or Philly. Then you have to address their center depth. Toronto's #1 center would be a 4th liner on Pitt, Boston and Philly. There is no quick fix, just trade vets for picks and pray.
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a team that has just traded their top 2 picks next year and their top pick the year after, does not have the luxury to justify dealing more vets for picks. They simply can't be in rebuild mode now, despite how much sense it makes for them.... they decided when they acquired Kessel that they were no longer a rebuilding team.

That's Burke's first big mistake so far as GM.

I would have restocked our woeful prospect pool in both quality and depth which could eventually contribute at a discount to make a good team a contender. The Leafs are a fair distance from being a good team and miles away from a contender but it still wouldn't hurt to beef up the system. Right now the entire organization from top to bottom offers nothing to get excited about as far as someday becoming a contender.

Two 1sts and a 2nd for Kessel :sarcasm:

agree but I honestly dont see how they can compete any time in the near future.
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definitely not.

If the Hawks were to trade Sharp they would need to get back an adequate 2nd liner, good prospect and at least a 2nd round pick.

I don't see the Hawks trading Sharp.

I don't think that is true....the Leafs have some good young forwards in their system, and a few UFAs this year. They can trade some of those players (Stajan, Poni, Exelby) for picks, and look to reload for next year.

The Kessel trade wasn't made to compete this season, he is going to miss a month so there wasn't much thought of him putting them over the top. The trade was made because he is just 22 and can be part of the rebuild.

THe Leafs should do whatever it takes to re-acquire their lost draft picks. Trade Kaberle for a 1st, Poni / Stajan for 2nd's, etc...

Just blow it up. There is a solid foundation that has been laid in Schenn, Kadri, Kessel but it will take A LOT more then that for the team to become a playoff team, let alone a contender.

the Kessel trade was made thinking the Leafs were heading in the right direction. You don't make that trade if you think there's a chance your pick is top 5 in the draft. How does that make any sense to add Kessel for a $5+mill cap hit, while your team is still rebuilding, and you're giving up a top 5 pick in the draft, and then some?

Burke calculated incorrectly - or at least that's my opinion. I stand to be corrected if the Leafs can actually make a push for the playoffs, and it's still too early to write off any team.

But you have to think that Burke thinks this is a team that will challenge for a playoff spot. They may not make it, but they certainly should be no worse than they were last year.

And reading comments from Leaf fans here, and talking to my friends here, most are Leaf fans, the same common belief is there - they were a 12th place team in the conference last year, and 23rd in the NHL, and they could justify giving up those top picks for Kessel, because there was no way they'd be worse than last year.

Well, they may well be worse than last year... and if they're 4 games into the season, and already thinking about having to move their veterans for picks to rebuild, there's a very good possibility the team finishes worse than 12th in the conference and 23rd in the league.

Personally, I think the Leafs should never have made that Kessel trade... they are in obvious rebuilding mode and giving up a $5.2mill contract and 3 quality picks just doesn't make sense for Kessel... but I can't say I'm surprised, as Burke has never paid much attention to draft picks and the overall development process in an organization. This has been clear from what he did in Vancouver and Anaheim. And this will probably be his biggest downfall in Toronto.

Having said that, Burke being GM in Toronto makes perfect sense... the Leafs have never been a team that rebuilds from the ground up.... they're just not a market were it's easy to justify patiently building from the ground up.

Why would Chicago trade a top 6 player AND a pick for a 3rd line center? .. A 2.9 million dollar 3rd line center no less.

I'm not sure why everyone is so mad at this guy's proposals. The thread title is accurate. It doesn't say Mutually beneficial trades, it says "trades to help the leafs". It's your fault for coming in here.

Wouldn't these fall under outrageous trades???:shakehead

shane o'brien for ian white

burke wants toughness on his team and the canucks need to get rid of some salary. having another puck mover helps too.

the leafs need to identify who they want to be part of there team going forward after this year...then trade off everything else...and i mean everything ...burkie needs to get rid of all the mediocre vets signed to bad deals that he inherited when he took over....he needs to move them all by the trade deadline and aquire picks and prospects and cap space for them....go with a young team the last part of the year and get those guys the experience...and this year might well be very bad but leaf fans are just gonna have to deal with it ...then going forward youve got the fa's he signed this year ...some young guys hopefully....and then sign some high end free agents this of season as there will be a ton of cash to spend if all th einherited vets are traded off...and maybe even go after a couple of rfa's either threw trade or offer sheets with the picks/prospects aquired from the firesale...leafs need to clear out the garbage next years fa class is very good...we need to creat cap room and sign a few top end guys....put them in with our young guys and we should have nice mix and a top 5 team in the east if all that can be done...

the only one i could see would be bernier for stajan and white.

vancouver would then have to move a dman (obrien) somewhere else.

No way that's a crazy trade, why not just send an offer sheet and save the 2011 first.

The Maple Leafs have a fairly deep prospect pool with players like..

Kadri
Stalberg
Bozak
Tlusty
Gunnarsson
Blacker
K. Ryan
Gustavsson

These prospects are all either decent replacements for the players we have or, when developed, will fill the holes in our lineups. The loss of 2 1st's & a 2nd for Kessel isn't the beginning of the end IMO.

This season is going to be about trimming fat. Players like Blake, Stajan, Ponikarovsky, Stempniak, Toskala will all be either traded, waived or bought out if they don't excel in the roles they've been given.

I wouldn't put much heat on the Leafs if they continue to suck this year. Even if it is at the expense of a top-10 pick (Kessel>top-10 pick IMO). What the B's do with their remaining picks will be the factor that decides who came out on top of that deal.

Although it really does suck to see them play so bad:cry: Not very fun for me


By the way, your proposed trades to help the Leafs are all awful.