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sammyp 10-14-2009 05:22 PM
Giguere to Detroit?
 
The Wings need a goalie and the Ducks have two guys capable of starting. It might be tough to make happen for cap reasons alone, but take a shot at a proposal.

mstad101 10-14-2009 05:28 PM
only Filpula Hudler Cleary n Stuart have enough salary for this trade to work.
N it would have to be 2 of them
currently Detriot is over the Cap

Sean Garrity 10-14-2009 05:33 PM
I doubt Detroit has the assets to make a good trade for themselves and make this deal work...

detredWINgs 10-14-2009 05:35 PM
Detroit also needs a #1 defenseman, 2 bottom-pairing defensive defenseman, two 2nd line forwards, a back-up, a play book, a better defensive coach, and about 13 or 14 brains that are on the better side of those "this is your brain on drugs..." T-shirts.

Let's see if the Wings can actually play defense before we talk about taking on a ridiculously paid goaltender with bad hips.

danaluvsthekings 10-14-2009 05:53 PM
Giguere also has his NTC and because of his son's medical condition (I don't know how his son's eye problem is doing currently) he might not be interested in leaving Southern California.

mstad101 10-14-2009 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 21598411)
Detroit also needs a #1 defenseman, 2 bottom-pairing defensive defenseman, two 2nd line forwards, a back-up, a play book, a better defensive coach, and about 13 or 14 brains that are on the better side of those "this is your brain on drugs..." T-shirts.

Let's see if the Wings can actually play defense before we talk about taking on a ridiculously paid goaltender with bad hips.
1 - Whered Lidstrom go? did he die n no one say anything?
2 - Bertuzzi n Williams not enough to cover Hudler Samuelsson n Hossa?
3 - Legace, Fernandaz n a few other capable Goalies still in FA


and the coach statement doesnt give me hope for team Canada if we are relying on Babcock

Johnstarks 10-14-2009 06:06 PM
So how about moving Hiller then? Cap space wouldnt be a problem and Hiller becomes an UFA at the end of the season.

BillyShoe1721 10-14-2009 06:09 PM
Detroit right now isn't in a position to be trading for a very high priced goalie. They're going to wait it out until Howard/Larsson/McCollum is ready before they go trade for a goalie.

jax00 10-14-2009 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLLY_ShOE1721 (Post 21598798)
Detroit right now isn't in a position to be trading for a very high priced goalie. They're going to wait it out until Howard/Larsson/McCollum is ready before they go trade for a goalie.
It's not like Giguere would cost very much. He'd actually be a good stopgap until someone like McCollum is ready.

matt trick 10-14-2009 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jax00 (Post 21598888)
It's not like Giguere would cost very much. He'd actually be a good stopgap until someone like McCollum is ready.
What about next year?

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
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FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m)
* Todd Bertuzzi ($1.000m) / * Tomas Holmstrom ($1.000m) / * Darren Helm ($0.850m)
* Justin Abdelkader ($0.850m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m) / * Mattias Ritola ($0.600m)
* Brad May ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
* Brett Lebda ($0.650m)
GOALTENDERS
* Giguere ($6.000m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $57.621m; CAP ROOM: $-0.821m BONUSES: $0.000m
Of course, it is possible Lidstrom retires, or takes a something ridiculous (2-5 mill), but I think Helm, Holmstrom, and Bertuzzi represent bare minimums for the roles they fill, maybe Detroit feels Abdulkader and Leino can move into those roles (which allows them to fill out the bottom of . Stuart has both trade value (San Jose could use him) and isn't terribly necessary with either Kindl or Ericsson top 4 capable, but I believe he has a NTC. Other than him, Filppula is the only guy they would even consider moving, and I highly doubt it because Holland signed him to a long deal, and the org is built on loyalty.

I think Giguere would be a major upgrade for Detroit, but at his salary he just isn't worth it. Hiller on the other hand would generate some major interest IMO.

Roof Daddy 10-14-2009 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 21598411)
Detroit also needs a #1 defenseman, 2 bottom-pairing defensive defenseman, two 2nd line forwards, a back-up, a play book, a better defensive coach, and about 13 or 14 brains that are on the better side of those "this is your brain on drugs..." T-shirts.

Let's see if the Wings can actually play defense before we talk about taking on a ridiculously paid goaltender with bad hips.
Last year couldn't Kronwall have been a #1 on at least 5 teams (all the while being your #3)? Are you maybe overreacting just a tad to a less than stellar start?

HoverCarle* 10-14-2009 06:42 PM
Yeah Im surprised they havent signed Legace or Fernandez yet.

rajinikanthfan1 10-14-2009 08:56 PM
how about datsyuk for giggy

or


giggy for 2 first round picks

or

giggy for osgood straight up

:laugh:

detredWINgs 10-15-2009 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof Daddy (Post 21599396)
Last year couldn't Kronwall have been a #1 on at least 5 teams (all the while being your #3)? Are you maybe overreacting just a tad to a less than stellar start?
Um, yes. Clearly my post was to be taken seriously. :laugh:

As for Kronwall being a #1 on at least 5 teams, in the NHL, you're right. But there are some really crappy back-ends in this league (have you seen Dustin Byfuglien lately? :sarcasm:).

detredWINgs 10-15-2009 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by matt trick (Post 21599344)
What about next year?

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Of course, it is possible Lidstrom retires, or takes a something ridiculous (2-5 mill), but I think Helm, Holmstrom, and Bertuzzi represent bare minimums for the roles they fill, maybe Detroit feels Abdulkader and Leino can move into those roles (which allows them to fill out the bottom of . Stuart has both trade value (San Jose could use him) and isn't terribly necessary with either Kindl or Ericsson top 4 capable, but I believe he has a NTC. Other than him, Filppula is the only guy they would even consider moving, and I highly doubt it because Holland signed him to a long deal, and the org is built on loyalty.

I think Giguere would be a major upgrade for Detroit, but at his salary he just isn't worth it. Hiller on the other hand would generate some major interest IMO.
Giguere would be an option next year, but Holland would allow himself to be outbid if it comes to that. You wouldn't get much out of Holland if you were trading Giguere without a lot of takers.

Stuarts NTC expires in July. And Filppula could be moved, but not for Giguere.

Honestly, the only way I wouldn't mind adding Giguere is if Rafalski went the other way. And Raffi has an NTC.

matt trick 10-15-2009 12:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 21605311)
Giguere would be an option next year, but Holland would allow himself to be outbid if it comes to that. You wouldn't get much out of Holland if you were trading Giguere without a lot of takers.

Stuarts NTC expires in July. And Filppula could be moved, but not for Giguere.

Honestly, the only way I wouldn't mind adding Giguere is if Rafalski went the other way. And Raffi has an NTC.
Didn't know about Stuart's NTC, thanks.

On filppula, I wasn't implying that he would be traded for Giguere. I was simply pointing out that aside from Stuart he is the only movable player with a 3 mill+ salary.

I don't see Rafalski waiving since he is from Michigan, but you of course knew that.

Wildcarder 10-15-2009 01:47 AM
My fantasy pool hopes that Biron gets traded to Detroit.

Talentless Practise* 10-15-2009 02:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 21598411)
Detroit also needs a #1 defenseman,
I'll trade you Scott Niedermayer for Nicklas Lidstrom.

eklunds source 10-15-2009 03:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsrules (Post 21602448)
how about datsyuk for giggy

or


giggy for 2 first round picks

or

giggy for osgood straight up

:laugh:
All, awful. Just awful.

detredWINgs 10-15-2009 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by matt trick (Post 21605450)
Didn't know about Stuart's NTC, thanks.

On filppula, I wasn't implying that he would be traded for Giguere. I was simply pointing out that aside from Stuart he is the only movable player with a 3 mill+ salary.

I don't see Rafalski waiving since he is from Michigan, but you of course knew that.
Yup. The only way Rafalski moves is if he feels put off by the Wings organization asking him to waive his NTC - and they're the last group of guys to do that. Stuart, on the other hand, would waive his NTC IMO. The reason he asked for it in the first place is because his step-daughter (IIRC) was 16 at the time of the signing, and he didn't want to be traded while she was in the middle of high school. But if he was asked to move in, say, February (to a contending team), I'd bank on him doing it.

At the same time, Detroit pretty much has 5 puck-movers and 1 guy who can play a defensive defenseman's game - that being Stuart. So, while I think hes moveable for the right deal, we'd need to figure out how to get a defensive defenseman (or two) coming back, not necessarily of Stuart's all around calibre.

Drake1588 10-15-2009 01:07 PM
Holland doesn't believe in paying for goaltending. Maybe that changes once Lidstrom hangs 'em up, but that's his well-documented philosophy.

Sony Eriksson* 10-15-2009 01:50 PM
Well Eklund says Giguere to Toronto is a possibility so that means it won't happen at all.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...titsyn/1/23681

Dragon Priest 10-15-2009 02:46 PM
I don't think this would be a good move for either teams. Detroit doesn't have cap space and as someone else mentioned they would be better of riding it out to see what happens or grabing someone like Fernandez or Legace. For Anaheim I just don't trust Hiller yet. I know what he has done, but I feel though as if Giguere is moved he may relax and not have someone behind him pushing him. I think Giggy still has some good years on him and I have been following and rooting for him since his days with the Flames. If I where Anaheim I would move him and I think at the end of the season he could regain his job. I know he hasn't played well at the start of the season, but I think he will regain his form. I also might not want him to go Detroit just because I hate the Redwings.

mattihp 10-15-2009 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mstad101 (Post 21598329)
only Filpula Hudler Cleary n Stuart have enough salary for this trade to work.
N it would have to be 2 of them
currently Detriot is over the Cap
Too lazy to write out "and"?

Filppula and Cleary for Giguere and 2nd would look nice :)

Detroit adds a goalie and Anaheim gets two good forwards who can play on any line.

AK 10-15-2009 03:32 PM
The Ducks would not want to make the Wings better.


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