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DrinkFightFlyers 10-17-2009 03:03 PM

Young D-man for a veteran.
 
With the injury to Ryan Parent and the apparent incompetence of Syvret/OKT, do you think it would be a good idea to trade one or some of the Flyers young D-men for a veteran player? The flyers Defense is pretty stacked as far as youth goes. Would trading a guy like Syvret (who many or may not have much value), Marshall, Ratchuk, Bartulis, etc. for a Solid veteran guy be worth it? I wouldn't mind it as long it is some one good. According to hockeybuzz, the Habs and Sens are going after Dan Haimus and Jordan Leopold, respectively. So how about something like this...

Flyers young D-man
Carcillo/Cote/Asham

for

Haimus or Leopold (or another solid veteran D-man)

maybe throw in a draft pick if that doesn't do it.

BobbyClarkeFan16 10-17-2009 03:09 PM

how about Coburn + for Volchenko?

Wolfy* 10-17-2009 03:38 PM

:facepalm:

How many D do you need?

Tollefsen, who is a NHL veteran, has only played 12 minutes in two games. But the main reason for that is the knee surgery, it requires a careful approach, and this was part of the plan when Homer signed him. He'll play more and more later and move into 6th when he's 100%.

Syvret is doing just fine for a rookie.

These two will rotate depending on the opponent, as mentioned several times. It looks like they will be paired up for the next couple of games when Parent is out, but that worked well during preseason.

Forget it.

Lab Monkey 10-17-2009 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 21642693)
how about Coburn + for Volchenko?

if we could get Volchenkov signed for 4mil or under for 3-4 years id be totally game for this. I like Coburn but I LOVE Volchenkov's game

FlyHigh 10-17-2009 04:17 PM

What would have been smart would be to waive Jones 3 months ago and sign a veteran d-man.

I mean, we actually do have the space with Jones gone, but now it's too late.

CanadianFlyer88 10-17-2009 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfy (Post 21643045)
:facepalm:

How many D do you need?

Tollefsen, who is a NHL veteran, has only played 12 minutes in two games. But the main reason for that is the knee surgery, it requires a careful approach, and this was part of the plan when Homer signed him. He'll play more and more later and move into 6th when he's 100%.

Syvret is doing just fine for a rookie.

These two will rotate depending on the opponent, as mentioned several times. It looks like they will be paired up for the next couple of games when Parent is out, but that worked well during preseason.

Forget it.

While I don't support the move suggested by the OP, the Flyers definitely have a problem if Parent is out for more than the 10 days initially reported.

Tollefsen is a borderline 6th defensemen. Syvret's hardly a rookie; this is his 4th season getting time in NHL games. Those two should be fighting or the 6th spot. They shouldn't be paired together for any long stretch of time, else Pronger and Timonen will be seeing 30+ minute games and that will kill the Flyers in the long run.

However close you are to OKT shouldn't cloud the fact that there won't be many games where he is relied on to play more than 10 minutes.

With Parent out and Coburn playing with the confidence of a 3rd string quarterback, the 'solid Flyers defense core' everyone was so happy about looks mediocre at best.

JDinkalage Morgoone 10-17-2009 04:35 PM

Maybe you could sign Chelios to a deal if you want vets. :sarcasm:

DrinkFightFlyers 10-17-2009 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadianFlyer88 (Post 21643682)
While I don't support the move suggested by the OP, the Flyers definitely have a problem if Parent is out for more than the 10 days initially reported.

Tollefsen is a borderline 6th defensemen. Syvret's hardly a rookie; this is his 4th season getting time in NHL games. Those two should be fighting or the 6th spot. They shouldn't be paired together for any long stretch of time, else Pronger and Timonen will be seeing 30+ minute games and that will kill the Flyers in the long run.

However close you are to OKT shouldn't cloud the fact that there won't be many games where he is relied on to play more than 10 minutes.

With Parent out and Coburn playing with the confidence of a 3rd string quarterback, the 'solid Flyers defense core' everyone was so happy about looks mediocre at best.

That's what I'm saying. If Parent is out for an extending period I do not want to see Syvret and OKT as the third pair on a nightly basis. For the time being it will have to do, but I think either of them are, at best, a 6th defenseman, and only one should be playing at a time. Having a solid veteran D-man on the point playing with one of them for the time being and then with Parent when he gets healthy would be a much better scenario than we have now.

Wolfy* 10-17-2009 04:56 PM

You can't just go shop a new player because of an injury.

I can't understand what your problem is with OKT, give him time to get back to his game. He's bothered with a sore knee, and that will affect his play as well. When he's 100% he'll play 10-15 minutes a game which is perfectly normal for a 6th, and something he did for four years as a Jacket before the injury.

sa cyred 10-17-2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfy (Post 21644066)
You can't just go shop a new player because of an injury.

I can't understand what your problem is with OKT, give him time to get back to his game. He's bothered with a sore knee, and that will affect his play as well. When he's 100% he'll play 10-15 minutes a game which is perfectly normal for a 6th, and something he did for four years as a Jacket before the injury.

But see its always injury injury injury with him. As jackets fans have said and what we have all seen, he is a borderline 6th defenseman. Personally, I dont think its great to harbor an injury prone player.

Kaktus* 10-17-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 21642693)
how about Coburn + for Volchenko?

I do not think Sens will trade him.

DrinkFightFlyers 10-17-2009 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfy (Post 21644066)
You can't just go shop a new player because of an injury.

I can't understand what your problem is with OKT, give him time to get back to his game. He's bothered with a sore knee, and that will affect his play as well. When he's 100% he'll play 10-15 minutes a game which is perfectly normal for a 6th, and something he did for four years as a Jacket before the injury.

A) You can go shop a new player because of an injury. It is what teams do. I am not saying if Parent is out for a week to find someone else, but if he is gonna be out a month, then yes, find someone else because OKT and Syvret are not a defensive pairing that will help this team.

B) OKT is an alright defenseman and so is Syvret. But they are just alright. If the injury bug bites (which it will even if Parent is back for the next game) having one of them as a backup is ok, but having them as the starters is not. When Parent is healthy it is ok to have one of them in playing on that third pairing, but I would rather have a better guy out there with Parent and OKT as the 7th guy and send Syvret back to the A. I think the Flyers have a deep enough system with young defensemen that they can afford to trade one of them now for another D-man to play with Parent (or for him while he is injured).

bodangleroo28 10-17-2009 05:08 PM

I cant imagine anyone saying no to the op's proposal.

Wolfy* 10-17-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 21644114)
But see its always injury injury injury with him. As jackets fans have said and what we have all seen, he is a borderline 6th defenseman. Personally, I dont think its great to harbor an injury prone player.

Yes it's that old knee injury which isn't healed properly yet. And it would be hard even for Pronger to show NHL quality with a bad knee..

But his style of play also includes a high risk of injury, he's been asked many times why he doesn't change his style to take better care of his body, but he says no way, that's his trademark. And Homer was fully aware of this when he signed him, but didn't look at it as a problem. Because it's a long term injury, but not a career ending one.

mypunkrock 10-17-2009 05:18 PM

I'd rather Syvret get more than 8 minutes a night. He should be in shape, lay some responsibility on him and see how he responds.

Somebody needs to light a fire under Coburn's rear.

Do that, and I think we'd be on the right path.

Regards,
Rick

ShawnTHW 10-17-2009 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 21642693)
how about Coburn + for Volchenko?

A Russian player on THIS Flyers team.


In your dreams and especially mine.

DUHockey9 10-17-2009 05:33 PM

So I was out for a friends birthday yesterday and got entirely too drunk. Sadly, I didn't get to see the game. What happened with Parent?

mypunkrock 10-17-2009 05:40 PM

Pulled groin.

Garbage Goal 10-17-2009 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DUHockey9 (Post 21644498)
So I was out for a friends birthday yesterday and got entirely too drunk. Sadly, I didn't get to see the game. What happened with Parent?

Not sure. He just played a couple minutes in the first period and then left during the intermission. They just said it's a lower body injury.

Sens won't trade Volchenkov. Although I would love it if they did.

I'd be willing to trade Coburn (he's been going downhill for two years and has been extremely horrible this year) if we get a d-man who's a sure-thing. Tollefsen, Ratchuk, Cote, and Powe are all very expendable. Briere normally would be, but we need him this year.

I could very easily see us getting a good 3rd pairing guy for some combination of Tollefsen, Cote, Powe, and Ratchuk. Getting a good 2nd pairing guy in return for Coburn would be hard though.

Wolfy* 10-17-2009 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 21644175)
OKT is an alright defenseman and so is Syvret. But they are just alright. If the injury bug bites (which it will even if Parent is back for the next game) having one of them as a backup is ok, but having them as the starters is not. When Parent is healthy it is ok to have one of them in playing on that third pairing, but I would rather have a better guy out there with Parent and OKT as the 7th guy and send Syvret back to the A. I think the Flyers have a deep enough system with young defensemen that they can afford to trade one of them now for another D-man to play with Parent (or for him while he is injured).

OKT is here to replace Jones, that's still the plan, and he isn't going anywhere soon. Allow him to play a series of games before you start all this whining.

In fact, I think he'll sign another three years with the Flyers when this season is over :nod:

Garbage Goal 10-17-2009 06:09 PM

After looking at the Phantoms' number of d-men available I think we should definitely make a trade. 9 d-men? Come on. Between Tollefsen, Jones, Powe, Ratchuk, Curry, Cote, and maybe even Coburn a good trade could be worked out.

sa cyred 10-17-2009 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfy (Post 21644782)
OKT is here to replace Jones, that's still the plan, and he isn't going anywhere soon. Allow him to play a series of games before you start all this whining.

In fact, I think he'll sign another three years with the Flyers when this season is over :nod:

Meh I doubt it. If everything goes according to plan, we will have one or maybe 2 of Marshall/Bourden/Lehvotri (spelling?)make the team.

Dig Out Your Soul 10-17-2009 06:14 PM

No roster changes will fix this team. You could steal Crosby and Lidstrom and they'd still find ways to lose.

CanadianFlyer88 10-17-2009 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dig Out Your Soul (Post 21644966)
No roster changes will fix this team. You could steal Crosby and Lidstrom and they'd still find ways to lose.

:laugh:

I'm glad your optimism never wavers.

Dig Out Your Soul 10-17-2009 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadianFlyer88 (Post 21644994)
:laugh:

I'm glad your optimism never wavers.

At least I'm consistent. :)


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