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montreal 10-27-2009 05:06 PM

Injury Update Thread (Gio Skates/Hammer Questionable)
 
Injury update as of 12-21

Habs-

Gionta- Broken foot, back on the ice skating, day to day

Hammer- Questionable, will be on the road trip

Dogs-

Olivier Fortier- Out till at least Feb.

Danny Massť- Knee, could be back in 3-4 weeks .

Michael Busto- Tricep out 4 weeks


Juniors/NCAA-
Steve Quailer- Heard he's all but listed as out for the rest of the year. Nothing official though, he will likely be redshirted, so it just means that they don't count this year, so he can stilll play 3 more years if he wants to. Brock Trotter was redshirted in his first year.

Ice Poutine 10-27-2009 05:13 PM

Andrei Kostitsyn - broken heart, cause he's separated from his baby brother

Georges Laraque - bruised ego for being put in the stands

Hal Gill - limited in his movements on ice by a very slow cerebral cortex

1UP 10-27-2009 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice Poutine (Post 21820548)
Andrei Kostitsyn - broken heart, cause he's separated from his baby brother

Georges Laraque - bruised ego for being put in the stands

Hal Gill - limited in his movements on ice by a very slow cerebral cortex

Come on. If you would be as tall as Gill, it would take a lot of time for your brain signals to get to your feet too.

tigerman111 10-27-2009 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice Poutine (Post 21820548)
Andrei Kostitsyn - broken heart, cause he's separated from his baby brother

Georges Laraque - bruised ego for being put in the stands

Hal Gill - limited in his movements on ice by a very slow cerebral cortex



actually i remember hearing that hal gill could be a math teacher if he wasnt in the nhl... so the problem is his body, not his brain.

Ice Poutine 10-27-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1UP (Post 21820632)
Come on. If you would be as tall as Gill, it would take a lot of time for your brain signals to get to your feet too.

yes, measured in milliseconds, not entire seconds like he's doing.

Analyzer 10-27-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tigerman111 (Post 21820634)
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actually i remember hearing that hal gill could be a math teacher if he wasnt in the nhl... so the problem is his body, not his brain.

Could have been a QB IIRC too.

Evil Ted 10-27-2009 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice Poutine (Post 21820679)
yes, measured in milliseconds, not entire seconds like he's doing.

Whats Bergerons problem? he seems to have wires crossed or something then?

Ice Poutine 10-27-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Ted (Post 21823823)
Whats Bergerons problem? he seems to have wires crossed or something then?

Bergeron's childhood idol was Brisebois, wich he would imitate in every way on the ice.

That should explain it all..

RoyBoyCoy 10-27-2009 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by montreal (Post 21820452)
Steve Quailer- I still can't find out anything, it sounds like he's gone for the season but I know that he was walking around campus without cruches so perhaps it's not as bad.

Whoa!! What!! That really sucks man. Any updates as they come along would be great! :handclap:

Vinceee 10-27-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice Poutine (Post 21820548)
Hal Gill - limited in his movements on ice by a very slow cerebral cortex

sigh...

Oleg Petrov 10-27-2009 11:46 PM

Markov IR and the Olympics
 
A quick pessimistic thought.

Markov is 95% come the week before Vancouver 2010. The habs doctors say "We will not clear you". Markov gets evaluated by a second party (which he is allowed) and this second party doctor (crazy Dr. Nick Russian) clears him to play in the olympics; and he plays and aggravates the injury and is out for the remainder of the season.

Possible? VERY

Analyzer 10-27-2009 11:49 PM

Yeah, I heard that he wants to be able to play for Team Russia.

I don't see how he can aggravate that type of injury, unless he suffers another cut in the same spot ? By that time, it should be practically healed and he'll have trouble re-adjusting to the speed, so it should just hurt Team Russia.

I would imagine there,s a chance albeit an extremely small chance he stresses the tendon causing it to snap since it might not be fully healed...

Habskrieg 10-27-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oleg Petrov (Post 21827052)
A quick pessimistic thought.

Markov is 95% come the week before Vancouver 2010. The habs doctors say "We will not clear you". Markov gets evaluated by a second party (which he is allowed) and this second party doctor (crazy Dr. Nick Russian) clears him to play in the olympics; and he plays and aggravates the injury and is out for the remainder of the season.

Possible? VERY

Pretty sure he's smarter than that.

vokiel 10-27-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Oleg Petrov (Post 21827052)
A quick pessimistic thought.

Markov is 95% come the week before Vancouver 2010. The habs doctors say "We will not clear you". Markov gets evaluated by a second party (which he is allowed) and this second party doctor (crazy Dr. Nick Russian) clears him to play in the olympics; and he plays and aggravates the injury and is out for the remainder of the season.

Possible? VERY

Too bad his name won't be on the cup. ;)

Quarantesix 10-27-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by montreal (Post 21820452)
A look at the injuries throughout the entire organization, feel free to update with any news as I haven't been checking.

Habs-
Markov- The only thing I heard was on TSN the other night when they said Markov told them he wants to play for Team Russia in Feb and that he was expected back in January.


January seem too good to be true

Oleg Petrov 10-27-2009 11:52 PM

Because he values playing for his country high? If he feels he's ready, he'll go.

Habskrieg 10-27-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Oleg Petrov (Post 21827184)
Because he values playing for his country high? If he feels he's ready, he'll go.

Yes that is true. In this perspective I see him trying to play. I can understand players wanting to represent their country. But I doubt he'll want to put himself in harms way if he doesn't feel ready. That's all I'm saying. Players know they can get injured in any game, its a risk.

Oleg Petrov 10-27-2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 21827117)
Yeah, I heard that he wants to be able to play for Team Russia.

I don't see how he can aggravate that type of injury, unless he suffers another cut in the same spot ? By that time, it should be practically healed and he'll have trouble re-adjusting to the speed, so it should just hurt Team Russia.

I would imagine there,s a chance albeit an extremely small chance he stresses the tendon causing it to snap since it might not be fully healed...

I agree as far as aggravting the injury is concerned; but if habs say "NO YOU CAN'T GO" and he does, are there future issues?

Oleg Petrov 10-27-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cupmonger (Post 21827228)
Yes that is true. In this perspective I see him trying to play. I can understand players wanting to represent their country. But I doubt he'll want to put himself in harms way if he doesn't feel ready. That's all I'm saying. Players know they can get injured in any game, its a risk.

Can you see the Habs wanting to keep him out if he is just coming off of injury?

Habskrieg 10-28-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Oleg Petrov (Post 21827267)
Can you see the Habs wanting to keep him out if he is just coming off of injury?

No, I doubt the team tries to stop him from going and playing for his country. He may get advice on how to avoid injuries and get warnings from doctors. But I doubt the organization tells him not to go, that could be taken as an insult.

Oleg Petrov 10-28-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cupmonger (Post 21827477)
No, I doubt the team tries to stop him from going and playing for his country. He may get advice on how to avoid injuries and get warnings from doctors. But I doubt the organization tells him not to go, that could be taken as an insult.

Hope you're right. Because I forsee this as being an issue between: HABS / NHL V MARKOV / NHLPA / RUSSIAN FEDERATION.

The only entity with common interests is Markov....I feel his loyalties lie with Russia.

Kriss E 10-28-2009 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tigerman111 (Post 21820634)
[/I]
actually i remember hearing that hal gill could be a math teacher if he wasnt in the nhl... so the problem is his body, not his brain.

I had a number of dumb math teachers, in private and public schools.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg Petrov (Post 21827052)
A quick pessimistic thought.

Markov is 95% come the week before Vancouver 2010. The habs doctors say "We will not clear you". Markov gets evaluated by a second party (which he is allowed) and this second party doctor (crazy Dr. Nick Russian) clears him to play in the olympics; and he plays and aggravates the injury and is out for the remainder of the season.

Possible? VERY

Markov is 95% come the week before Vancouver. The Habs doctor say ''We will not clear you''. Markov gets evaluated by a second doctor and clears him. He plays and gets better game after game.
NHL starts again and he makes his presence felt right away.

Possible? JUST AS MUCH.

Btw, I don't think anybody in the NHL wouldn't play for their National Olympic team if they were 95% healthy. So, if Markov is 95% good, I'll be cheering for him in the Olympics.

Oleg Petrov 10-28-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kriss E (Post 21827656)
I had a number of dumb math teachers, in private and public schools.



Markov is 95% come the week before Vancouver. The Habs doctor say ''We will not clear you''. Markov gets evaluated by a second doctor and clears him. He plays and gets better game after game.
NHL starts again and he makes his presence felt right away.

Possible? JUST AS MUCH.

Btw, I don't think anybody in the NHL wouldn't play for their National Olympic team if they were 95% healthy. So, if Markov is 95% good, I'll be cheering for him in the Olympics.

double negative??? The question is this:

If Habs doctors say no.

and

Russian Doctors say yes

Are you

a) Angry he played, hopes he doesn't get injured?

b) Happy he played, North American medicine is behind the times anyways?

c) Hope the Habs suspend him; freakin' Ruskie!

d) Hope he doesn't get injured?

e) Indifferent, Go LEAFS Go?

Analyzer 10-28-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Oleg Petrov (Post 21827267)
Can you see the Habs wanting to keep him out if he is just coming off of injury?

Well, it's just going to reflect negatively for the habs.

1) Other players will see that the organization doesn't value outside opinions on medical problems and won't let a player, who probably prefers playing for his country over his team go do so.

2) He's a top defenseman in the league and if they get mad over this and suspend him, or whatever, he will ask for a trade and we'll get close to jack **** for him mainly because he's unhappy and every team will know that.

3) The team losses its best player for the past... 3 years ?

If he wants to go and he feels he can play, he'll go and he'll play and he'll play for the habs after. If the organization does anything to try and prevent him, or suspend him, or anything like that, well... you, me and everyone else cheers for a team with a completely retarded group of individuals running it.

Sergei Kostitsyn is a talented kid, but just a punk kid who hasn't proved jack, so if he's unhappy, let him. Markov, can't make that guy unhappy.

Oleg Petrov 10-28-2009 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 21827818)
Well, it's just going to reflect negatively for the habs.

1) Other players will see that the organization doesn't value outside opinions on medical problems and won't let a player, who probably prefers playing for his country over his team go do so.

2) He's a top defenseman in the league and if they get mad over this and suspend him, or whatever, he will ask for a trade and we'll get close to jack **** for him mainly because he's unhappy and every team will know that.

3) The team losses its best player for the past... 3 years ?

If he wants to go and he feels he can play, he'll go and he'll play and he'll play for the habs after. If the organization does anything to try and prevent him, or suspend him, or anything like that, well... you, me and everyone else cheers for a team with a completely retarded group of individuals running it.

Sergei Kostitsyn is a talented kid, but just a punk kid who hasn't proved jack, so if he's unhappy, let him. Markov, can't make that guy unhappy.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but....IF the habs doctors are certain he isn't ready, and Markov gets a 3rd party Russian doctor. Wouldn't you be just a bit skeptical?

It wouldn't matter though, because as you basically said Markov holds all the cards.....That kinda worries me.


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