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I Am Chariot 11-29-2009 11:27 AM

So who's playing themselves into a trade
 
The trade is coming. Its the logical next step. Probably a small one to shake up the room and remind these guys NY is a nice place to call home.

The player has to be at least servicable to his new team and not burden capwise, at least not long term.

The defense is thin as it is, likely a forward

Higgins
Lisin
Voros
Boyle

Expect an equally challenged player in return with the hopes of the "fresh start" helping both trading partners.


thoughts?

Barnaby 11-29-2009 11:35 AM

I would figure Higgins... or Lisin for a "project." I actually don't mind Boyle and his stock is zero anyway.. Voros has no market value..

I Am Chariot 11-29-2009 11:40 AM

Of course if you are the GM on the other end of the line you ask about

Staal
Girardi
Anisimov
PA


Is Cally a risky cap burden today? How about Dubi?


Gabby Lundqvist are likely off the table. They are both good at hockey and make the team better.

Drury, Redden, Kotalik are kind of all the same guy at this point. Pretty good at hockey but overpaid for what they bring to the table... imo

Prospal likely off the table because hes such a good bang for the buck

Avery... no other GM wants Avery

Brashear? I'd be surprised if he ever got traded, especially this season

Matt4776 11-29-2009 11:56 AM

Cally.

Claxton 11-29-2009 12:08 PM

Start a package with Callahan and Girardi and get someone legitimate.

This team needs elite talent and it needs it badly.

TheHotRock 11-29-2009 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claxton (Post 22373734)
Start a package with Callahan and Girardi and get someone legitimate.

This team needs elite talent and it needs it badly.

i like this. those are two nice players, but honestly, they aren't really what i would call building blocks. they both have value for sure and if packaged with a pick, could get us a legit player. the problem then becomes, who replaces girardi on d.

Loffen 11-29-2009 12:30 PM

Higgins... Get him the **** outta here. Watching him blow chance after chance is getting old.

Lisin, Voros and Boyle are all expendable as well.

Choice 11-29-2009 12:43 PM

I would consider trading Dubi at this point also.

C77 11-29-2009 12:55 PM

I think the Bruins might take a chance on Higgins. Not sure if he got on well with Julien in Montreal when he was breaking into the league, but Begin + Ryder have come to Boston. Ryder was a linemate with Higgins + Koivu in Montreal.

I'd suggest Marco Sturm who is another "goal scorer" that hasn't been scoring. However he's got a NTC and is signed for next year too at $3.5.

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 11-29-2009 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoFFeN (Post 22373980)
Higgins... Get him the **** outta here. Watching him blow chance after chance is getting old.

Lisin, Voros and Boyle are all expendable as well.

I can think of a dozen other players I'd rather move before Higgins. At least he's getting scoring chances.

CaptainObvi0us 11-29-2009 12:57 PM

See what you can get for PA. He's decent but another featherweight who is pushed off the puck too easily. We need some more grit on this team. Finesse will only go so far (as has been proven)

nyr2k2 11-29-2009 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Declan (Post 22374298)
See what you can get for PA. He's decent but another featherweight who is pushed off the puck too easily. We need some more grit on this team. Finesse will only go so far (as has been proven)

I doubt anyone would give up anything for him. He was UFA this off season and chose to re-sign here; I'm sure if there was someone that wanted him they'd have signed him.

Choice 11-29-2009 01:03 PM

There's no point in trading guys like PA, Voros, Lisin, Boyle, since we'll probably get equal value back. To get someone of value, you have to give someone of value.

eco's bones 11-29-2009 01:05 PM

If the idea is to send a message to the current group on the ice--trading Dubinsky wouldn't qualify seeing that he's injured--we'd just be adding another player to a group that's not performing. Anyway he's still young and still has upside.

Personally Lisin is still in the process of becoming whatever the hell he's going to become which is another way of saying he has upside too.

I'd be more interested in trading the following--Drury, Redden and Rozsival because of their contracts--though at least Redden has played fairly well this year. Kotalik and Higgins are tradeable as well. Brashear, Boyle and Voros really doesn't send much of a message IMO. Making 4th liners walk the plank because the 2nd and 3rd liners aren't producing.

Loffen 11-29-2009 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boom Boom Geoffrion (Post 22374293)
I can think of a dozen other players I'd rather move before Higgins. At least he's getting scoring chances.

Well that is true. But still, he can't bury a chance to save his life.

I'm losing it soon... This team is so ****ing brutal right now.
:shakehead

Nick00 11-29-2009 01:20 PM

It does feel like a trade is imminent...
Maybe Higgins/Boyle+Girardi?

Puckface NYR* 11-29-2009 01:33 PM

No point in trading Higgins now.

Hes been one of our better players goals or not.

His value is at an all time low and it would make no sense trading him for garbage.

Cally/Duby/Girardi/Lisin/Rosy(if possible)/Pick-Mcdonagh

I personally don't think we should go for the quick fix/elite talent but we all know its new york and thats what sather will try to do

As long as the fans keep going with crappy teams were likely to continue with this borderline stuff until our young guys develop fully.

SomebodySaveKreider 11-29-2009 01:48 PM

First player I thought of was Higgins.

ColonialsHockey10 11-29-2009 02:07 PM

Pretty much every single forward on this team is playing themselves into a trade. We were all excited about this team because we were SUPPOSED to have some good depth. Unfortunately Drury, Higgins, Callahan, Avery and Dubsinky, all of whom were capable of scoring 20 goals or more this season, forgot how to play hockey. Remember when we all looked at Dubinsky as a budding top 6 power forward? What happened to that; he hasn't made a cheer-worthy hit or fought since 2008, and he thinks he can undress everyone on the ice. Callahan can barely stickhandle anymore and his strength on the puck is half of what it was last season. Frankly I don't think any team wants Avery or Drury, and there is no way we are getting good value for Dubinsky, Callahan or Higgins, all of whom look like 3rd/4th liners. Guys like Boyle, Brashear and Voros have no value, so including them in a trade is useless because they all have horrible cap hits for their productions anyway.

The only defenseman who I think has a probable chance of being traded (and he isn't playing himself into one unfortunately) is Girardi. Sather isn't trading Staal, MDZ, Sangs or Gilroy, and no team wants Redden because of his salary, Rosy either but he also is playing piss poor hockey on top of that.

Other teams fail because they simply have a bad lineup, but this team fails because nobody plays to their potential aside from a select few.

AXN 11-29-2009 02:16 PM

Why did they give Callahan the A? I think they ruined him doing that. Should have went with a veteran player.
Lisin did not play a single second last night not one second. It must be him.

blueshirt4lyfe 11-29-2009 02:27 PM

just dont give up picks please

The Perfect Paradox 11-29-2009 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BayAreaRanger (Post 22374997)
First player I thought of was Higgins.

Me too. But, it really depends what we're trading for. For example, if we're just looking to dump the players, a pick or prospect would be fine. But if we're actually looking to acquire a threat on offense, Higgins has very little value.

Florida Ranger 11-29-2009 02:54 PM

Let's just get rid of Higgins and call up Grachev.

Inferno 11-29-2009 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lundqvist4Vezina (Post 22375865)
Let's just get rid of Higgins and call up Grachev.

hes not ready.


I think anyone on this team can be had for the right price. I mean if the Caps called and offered AO for MDZ or something youd be stupid not to do it.

with that said, i dont see many big trades on the horizon for this team, just not enough cap space. If they do move a piece its almost assuredly going to be a salary dump.

I Eat Crow 11-29-2009 03:40 PM

I'd actually think Girardi could get moved...


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